The topic of immigration is boiling over these days. It’s complex and emotional, especially when it affects our communities and families.
Recently, a well-known Puerto Rican Pentecostal pastor named Omar Lugo presented a Facebook video and a written post on this issue, citing various Bible verses that discuss how we should treat foreigners. His approach seemed to suggest that human laws regarding immigration shouldn’t matter because divine laws are above them (without explaining how they directly contradict God’s law).
While I share his concern for showing compassion, I believe his argument stems from biblical silence and fails to demonstrate that current immigration laws violate God’s law.
The Argument from Silence in Biblical Interpretation
Pastor Omar used passages like Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 22:21, Deuteronomy 10:18-19, Zechariah 7:10, Matthew 25:35, Hebrews 13:2, and Ephesians 2:19 to highlight that we should love the foreigner. He did not, however, address whether these texts assume the foreigners were legal or not.
This is important because Israel’s laws in the Old Testament regulated who could stay in the land (Exodus 12:48-49). In that context, the term “foreigners” (gerim) referred to those who lived legally among the Israelites and were subject to the same laws. Otherwise, they could not remain and had to be “cut off” from the land. Therefore, assuming these passages apply to all types of immigration—legal or illegal—is an argument from silence. It relies on what the text does not explicitly say rather than what it does. This reasoning cannot be used to conclude that human immigration laws always contradict God’s will.
Pastor Omar also indicated that modern immigration laws are not found in the Bible. Again, this is an argument from silence and anachronistic.
Romans 13: Obey the Government. . . . Always?
In his video, the pastor stated that divine laws are above human laws and used examples, if I recall correctly, like same-sex marriage or prostitution, which are legal in some places but not supported by the church. I completely agree with this statement; our ultimate loyalty is to God, not human laws. He did not, however, explain how immigration laws violate divine law, despite being asked.
Romans 13:1-5 reminds us that human authorities have been established by God, and unless a law directly contradicts God’s will, Christians are to obey it.
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.
According to Title 8, Chapter 12, code 1325 of the United States Code (if I remember correctly), it is a crime to enter the country illegally. Therefore, those who cross illegally are committing a crime, as stipulated by the law.
The pastor also mentioned that churches are sanctuaries where illegal immigrants could enter, and the police could not remove them since churches were considered “sensitive locations.”
They were. An important point is that this is not a law being violated by the police but rather an internal policy of ICE. A policy serves as a guideline, not as a law (after I pointed this out, he walked it back).
Roman Citizenship and Israelite Citizenship
A historical example illustrates the importance of legality and order. During Paul’s time, the Roman Empire had strict laws on how non-Romans could obtain citizenship. Not everyone could enter the empire, ignore its rules, and enjoy the rights of citizens. There were three main ways a person could acquire Roman citizenship:
1. By birth in a Roman family or Roman province: Citizenship was inherited if both parents were citizens or, in some cases, if the father was a citizen. It was also granted by being born in a Roman province, as was Paul’s case.
2. By purchasing citizenship: Some could obtain it by paying a significant sum, as mentioned by the commander in Acts 22:28: “I acquired this citizenship for a large sum of money.”
3. By merit or special grant: Those who served the empire (such as non-Roman soldiers in the military) or performed exceptional acts could be rewarded with citizenship.
These restrictions show that even in a powerful culture like Rome, there was no indiscriminate access to the benefits of citizenship. The system ensured that people recognized and respected governmental authority.
Necessity, Compassion and Justice: The Principle of Proverbs 6:30-31
The Bible acknowledges that necessity can lead people to break the law. Proverbs 6:30-31 says: “excuses might be found for a thief who steals because he is starving. 31 But if he is caught, he must pay back seven times what he stole, even if he has to sell everything in his house” (New Living Translation).
This principle applies to illegal immigration. We can understand and empathize with those who, out of desperation, cross a border without documents. Many are good neighbors, hard workers, and productive members of society. This does not, however, eliminate the legal consequences or the fact that the initial act was a crime. Compassion must not override the principle of justice. The end does not justify the means. Blessings should not obtain through illegal or immoral methods.
How Should the Church Respond?
As a church, we have a responsibility to balance grace and truth:
1. Show compassion: Help immigrants, regardless of their status, with immediate needs, spiritual, and emotional support. Knowing they are here illegally does not give us the right to mistreat them. Neither is the church a bunch of ICE officials, authorized to make arrests. We should, instead, encourage them to make things right with the law.
2. Be realistic: Acknowledge that disobedience to laws has consequences. Promoting more humane and dignified solutions does not mean ignoring sin or illegality.
3. Advocate for justice: As citizens, we must work for immigration systems that are fair and reflect both human dignity and the need for social order without undermining the safety and well-being of naturalized citizens.
In conclusion, we cannot allow love for our neighbor to become an excuse to ignore justice or legality. The Bible calls us to be compassionate, but it also calls us to obey the laws and promote a balance between the two. To combine compassion with realism, grace with truth. This is a difficult topic, but as Christians, we are called to be a light in the midst of this complexity. The following were 4 common objections I receive from other people after my response to pastor Omar that I think will be of benefits.
Answering Common Objections
The “Hard Working Immigrant” Objection
“But they are hardworking, decent people who do the jobs Americans don’t want to do: planting and harvesting our food, building our homes, cleaning our streets and yards, and caring for our children and elderly.”
This argument sounds noble, but in reality, it is the same one used by 19th-century slaveholders when opposing abolition: “If we free the slaves, who will pick our cotton?” This is not an argument for justice but one of convenience.
Taking advantage of the fear and desperation of people fleeing extreme poverty and persecution to pay them poverty wages—far below the legal minimum—is not compassion. It is exploitation. And justifying it by saying, “They still earn more than they would in their home country,” does not make it any less immoral. This practice, far from being altruistic, is pure greed disguised as pragmatism.
Many business owners prefer cheap labor with no legal protections because it allows them to save thousands, if not millions, of dollars. But when those same workers are deported and their businesses collapse due to labor shortages, breached contracts, and lawsuits over unfinished work, they will have no one to blame but themselves.
And yes, the economy might take a temporary hit.
Prices may rise, and our comfort may be affected. But an economy built on the exploitation of the most vulnerable is neither sustainable nor morally acceptable. We cannot continue justifying illegal immigration under the pretext that “we need them” when, in reality, we have created a system that profits from their suffering.
The “You’re a Privilege” Objection
“You speak from a place of privilege. You don’t care because it doesn’t affect you directly. But if you were one of them, your tune would be different. What wouldn’t you do for your children, for your family?”
Yes, I speak from privilege. God gave me the privilege of being born on American soil, with the rights and opportunities that come with it. But that does not invalidate my argument.
Saying that my opinion holds no weight because of where I was born is like when an atheist says, “You’re only a Christian because you were born into a Christian family and in a country with Christian roots. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia, you would be Muslim.” But the truth of a belief does not depend on how I acquired it.
The veracity of Christianity does not change just because I was born in a Christian nation, just as the validity of my opinion on immigration does not depend on my citizenship. An argument must be evaluated based on its truth, not on the person presenting it.
“What wouldn’t you do for your children?”, they might ask. But I wouldn’t break just laws. Because when a law is just and I choose to violate it to obtain benefits and privileges, I am not acting in faith but in fear and desperation. I am not trusting that God will provide for my family; I am relying on my own means, even if they are unlawful.
Proverbs 6:30-31 tells us that while we may understand a thief’s hunger, stealing still has consequences. And Romans 13 is clear: opposing just earthly laws is opposing God. Love for our children does not give us a license to do what is wrong. God does not need us to break His principles in order to bless us.
The “But These are Your Compatriots” Objection
“I seriously don’t understand why you have such a big fight against them. We’re supposed to be Latinos, compatriots. We, immigrants (legal ones), should be more empathetic and look for solutions that benefit all of us. Many of these people have been here for years.”
My fight is not against people but against a system that incentivizes human suffering and illegality under emotional pretexts. Promoting, encouraging, or justifying illegal immigration is not an act of empathy but complicity in a cycle of exploitation and violence.
Most people who cross illegally do not do so alone. They do it through coyotes—members of criminal cartels who see immigrants as merchandise. These traffickers not only scam them by charging exorbitant fees (which migrants often pay back through forced labor or sexual exploitation), but they also rape, mutilate, and, in many cases, murder them.
The testimonies are abundant:
• Systematic sexual violence: A 2017 Doctors Without Borders report revealed that 1 in 3 women who cross the border illegally experience sexual violence. Many even take contraceptives before the journey because they assume they will be raped.
• Kidnappings and murders: A 2021 Human Rights First report found that over 6,000 migrants were kidnapped, raped, or murdered at the border between 2020 and 2021 while waiting to cross or after they had crossed.
• Human trafficking and modern slavery: The U.S. State Department estimates that thousands of illegal immigrants end up in human trafficking networks, particularly children and teenagers, who are sold into labor and sex exploitation rings.
When the border is open or permissive, these crimes increase. Allowing illegal immigration is not an act of kindness. It is fueling the cartel and perpetuating the suffering of the most vulnerable. If you truly care about immigrants, you will do as I do: work to discourage illegal entry to minimize these horrors. Compassion is not demonstrated by encouraging danger but by promoting legal and safe pathways for migration.
If you truly care about immigrants, you will do as I do: work to discourage illegal entry to minimize these horrors. Compassion is not demonstrated by encouraging danger but by promoting legal and safe pathways for migration.
The “Immigration Law is Racist” Objection
“But this immigration law is immoral because it’s nearly impossible to become a citizen due to the cost and requirements. It’s even racist and xenophobic! The Bible urges us to treat foreigners well. Refusing to help them in their desperate need goes against the biblical principle of hospitality.”
I understand the concern for the foreigner and agree that every person should be treated with dignity. The Bible calls us to hospitality (Leviticus 19:33-34), but hospitality is not the same as anarchy. A home opens its doors with order, not allowing just anyone to enter without discretion, destabilizing the household itself.
Regulating immigration is not an act of racism or xenophobia; it is an act of protection and prudence towards the citizens. Every nation has the right to determine who enters its territory, just as a family has the right to decide who enters its home.
1 Timothy 5:8 is clear: “If anyone does not provide for his own, especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” The principle is the same if we extrapolate it to the nation. A government that neglects its own people to indiscriminately care for foreigners is not acting justly. Being compassionate does not mean being irresponsible.
Just as a father cannot sacrifice his family’s well-being to give everything to strangers, a country cannot allow uncontrolled immigration that overwhelms its social and economic resources.
Immigration laws do not exist to exclude certain groups based on race or nationality. They exist to ensure that those who enter contribute to the nation’s well-being. Even in the Bible, foreigners could live in Israel, but under certain conditions:
• They had to integrate into the country’s culture and laws. (Exodus 12:49 – “The same law shall apply to the native and to the foreigner residing among you.”)
• They had to work and contribute to the common good. (2 Thessalonians 3:10 – “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”)
• There was no promotion of disorderly entry. (Nehemiah 13:3 shows that the Jews regulated who could live among them to protect their identity and well-being.)
An orderly immigration system allows a nation to flourish. A chaotic system harms citizens, overwhelms public resources, and enriches human traffickers.
When the Bible speaks of welcoming the foreigner, it does so within the context of order and justice. God commanded Israel to protect foreigners, but not at the expense of the nation’s well-being.
If we truly want to help immigrants, the solution is not to open borders indiscriminately but to advocate for fair and sustainable processes. Allowing illegal entry only perpetuates exploitation, abuse, and the overburdening of a system that, when it collapses, can help neither citizens nor foreigners.
Recommended Resources:
Correct not Politically Correct: About Same-Sex Marriage and Transgenderism by Frank Turek (Book, MP4, )
Stealing From God by Dr. Frank Turek (Book, 10-Part DVD Set, STUDENT Study Guide, TEACHER Study Guide)
Legislating Morality: Is it Wise? Is it Legal? Is it Possible? by Frank Turek (Book, DVD, Mp3, Mp4, PowerPoint download, PowerPoint CD)
How to Interpret Your Bible by Dr. Frank Turek DVD Complete Series, INSTRUCTOR Study Guide, and STUDENT Study Guide
Miguel Rodriguez is the founder of Smart Faith, a platform dedicated to helping Christians defend their faith with clarity and confidence. After experiencing a miraculous healing at 14, he developed a passion for knowing God through study and teaching. He now serves as the Director of Christian Education and a Bible teacher at his local church while also working as a freelance email marketer. Living in Orlando, Florida, with his wife and two daughters, Miguel seeks to equip believers with practical and intellectual tools to strengthen their faith. Through Smart Faith, he provides apologetics and self-improvement content to help Christians live with wisdom and integrity.
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Does LOVE Make a Family? Dismantling the #1 Lie of Modern Parenting with Katy Faust
PodcastIt’s been over a decade since the 2015 Obergefell ruling that mandated same-sex marriage and the stats are in. Has redefining marriage strengthened families, or has it quietly harmed the most vulnerable among us? Frank sits down with Katy Faust, founder and president of Them Before Us, to confront the real-world consequences of so-called “gay marriage,” and introduce the brand-new Greater Than movement—a bold effort to return to the natural law and biblical definition of marriage on behalf of children. During their conversation, Frank and Katy answer questions like:
In today’s society, children are often treated like trophies—spoken for, negotiated over, or reshaped to serve adult priorities. Greater Than works from a different premise: children’s rights should not be overridden by adult feelings or desires. To learn more and get involved, be sure to visit GreaterThanCampaign.com!
If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!
Resources mentioned during the episode:
Donate to CrossExamined
GreaterThanCampaign.com
Correct, Not Politically Correct by Frank Turek
Teaching Our Kids to Spot Empty Statements
Legislating Morality, Culture & PoliticsJohn and I were at the Iowa State Fair this weekend (in 2019). My husband loves all the fried food. Calories at the fair don’t count, right? Among our scheduled stops, we wanted to see a band that advertised itself as a mix between Stomp and Accapella. Sounds cool right?
We sat down with whatever artery-clogging victual we had just purchased and as the band started to sing, John and I realized that they weren’t exactly what we had thought. They weren’t bad necessarily. They just sounded a whole lot like a group that you’d hear brought to a middle school to give some flowery feel-good generic message—which consequently is exactly what they did.
The lead singer proudly proclaimed that they had decided to switch their focus from just music to making a positive difference in the world (sounds good, right?) They had decided to use their music to spread a message of unity and love. (Again, sounds good, right?) They then launched into a song about how we are all children of the earth.
John and I stayed for a song or two, but once we realized that it wasn’t getting any better, we moved on. However, at the behest of my cousin however, (shout out to Martha!) I decided to share the conversation that John and I had on the way out.
What exactly did they mean by “unity”?
This is one of those linguistically thefted words that our society is obsessed over. (If you’re not sure what linguistic theft is, check out chapter 4 of the first Mama Bear Apologetics book.) Linguistic theft is when a word (especially a word with Christian connotations) has been taken, redefined, and then put back on the market to champion something that Scripture never intended. Or sometimes, it’s a word that just sounds really great, but upon digging, has no meaning whatsoever. A word like “unity” only has meaning when coupled with a message of what we are to unify with. Without defining what we are unifying over, it’s just empty words, and people can fill in the details with whatever message they want. Share on X
What were we supposed to be unified over?
We actually debated waiting until the concert was over to go and talk to the band and ask them “What exactly is your message of unity regarding?” We expected that they would give some generic version of how we were all humans and needed to stick together. To which we would ask, “What about sex traffickers? Should we be in unity with them?” I’m assuming they would have said no. And of course we’d follow up with, “What about bullies? Should we be united with them?” I’m assuming they’d say no. “So you’re saying there are some people we are supposed to divide ourselves from?” We expected blank faces by that time. But this was the fair. They probably had 12 shows a day and needed a break. This wasn’t the time, so we just quietly left and went to pet a bunch of baby goats.
Who are we supposed to be unified with? Sex-traffickers? Bullies? No? So you’re saying there ARE people from whom we should divide ourselves… #linguistictheft #emptyphrases Share on X
Unity requires division
The problem with unity is that it implies division. In order to unify over one thing, you have to divide from its opposite. But nobody wants to talk about that (unless they are in politics, and then all you hear is how evil the other side is.) Everyone wants everyone else to unify with whatever their message is. They just want unity with themselves. Everyone is welcome on my team (as long as you agree with my team.) Why can’t everyone just agree with me?! Is that too hard?!
In order to unify with one thing, you have to divide from its opposite. Teach your kids to ask for clarity early on before they jump on the bandwagon of ‘unity.’ #linguistictheft #emptyphrases #apologetics Share on X
Unity has to have a conviction that people are unified around. Unity without a unifying message is just a group of people with no convictions whatsoever. In Christianity, we are called to unity. 1 Peter 3:8, Philippians 2:2, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Psalm 133:1, Ephesians 4:3. . . I could go on. But implicit in the Bible’s message of unity, is the source of our unity—the message of the cross, Christ’s life, death, and resurrection. Loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls, and strengths and loving others as ourselves. We are called to divide from the world and its practices, and unite over shared Lordship and obedience to Christ as defined in the Scriptures. True unity is actually very divisive! It cannot tolerate its opposite.
A call for unity without defining the message is basically asking for a whole crowd of people to gather with no convictions whatsoever. #linguistictheft #whatdoyoumeanbyunity? Share on X
Teaching our kids to critically think through unity
So this is the message we need to be instilling in our kids day in and day out. When we see messages calling for unity, ask them “What are they asking us to unify over?” or “What does unity with their message mean that we need to divide over?” When our kids only hear smooth and attractive sounding words and dig no further, there is no telling what kind of movement they might accidentally align themselves with in the future. Teach them that it is important to define words before we pledge our allegiance to something that sounds good. Because remember, Satan masquerades as an angel of light. It is not often that the true agenda is on display for the world. (Just look at our blog regarding the Women’s March of 2017. How many people knew that the principles listed were what they were actually marching for?)
As you train your kids to examine a message before they swallow it, you’ll raise kids who are discerning thinkers and less likely to be taken victim to smooth sounding ideologies raised against the knowledge of God.
Recommended Resources:
Debate: What Best Explains Reality: Atheism or Theism? by Frank Turek DVD, Mp4, and Mp3
Can All Religions Be True? mp3 by Frank Turek
How Philosophy Can Help Your Theology by Richard Howe (DVD Set, Mp3, and Mp4)
Your Most Important Thinking Skill by Dr. Frank Turek DVD, (mp4) download
Hillary Morgan Ferrer is the founder and President of Mama Bear Apologetics. She feels a burden for providing accessible apologetics resources for busy moms. She is the chief author and editor of the bestselling books Mama Bear Apologetics: Empowering Your Kids to Challenge Cultural Lies, Mama Bear Apologetics Guide to Sexuality: Empowering Your Kids to Understand and Live Out God’s Design, and the soon to be released Honest Prayers for Mama Bears. Hillary has her master’s degree in biology and loves helping moms to discern truths and lies in both science and culture. She and her husband, John, have been married for 16 years and minister together as an apologetics team. She can never sneak up on anybody because of her chronic hiccups, which you can hear occasionally on the podcast and in interviews.
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Are We Tampering with the Doctrine of Hell? with Kirk Cameron
PodcastAs Christians, we all believe that Hell is real. But what is the exact nature of God’s eternal punishment? Is Hell eternal conscious torment, or will it ultimately come to an end? This week, Kirk Cameron joins Frank to unpack the controversy that led him to host, ‘Hellgate: The Christian Debate We’re Afraid to Have‘, a roundtable discussion featuring biblical scholars Paul Copan, Chris Date, Gavin Ortlund, and Dan Paterson, examining what Scripture actually teaches about eternal punishment, conditionalism, and the justice of God. Frank and Kirk will tackle questions like:
For more information on this important topic, be sure to watch the full ‘Hellgate’ discussion on Kirk’s YouTube channel. Not only is it a deep and thoughtful theological discussion, it’s a great example of humility and graciousness on display among Christian brothers who sharply disagree with each other.
If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!
Resources mentioned during the episode:
Donate to CrossExamined
Hellgate: The Christian Debate We’re Afraid to Have
Albert Mohler – The Deadly Danger of Remodeling Hell
Are We Wrong About Hell? The Kirk Cameron Show
BRAVE Books
Iggy & Mr. Kirk
What Does the Bible Say About Illegal Immigration? My Friendly Response to a Well-known Pentecostal Pastor
Legislating Morality, Culture & PoliticsThe topic of immigration is boiling over these days. It’s complex and emotional, especially when it affects our communities and families.
Recently, a well-known Puerto Rican Pentecostal pastor named Omar Lugo presented a Facebook video and a written post on this issue, citing various Bible verses that discuss how we should treat foreigners. His approach seemed to suggest that human laws regarding immigration shouldn’t matter because divine laws are above them (without explaining how they directly contradict God’s law).
While I share his concern for showing compassion, I believe his argument stems from biblical silence and fails to demonstrate that current immigration laws violate God’s law.
The Argument from Silence in Biblical Interpretation
Pastor Omar used passages like Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 22:21, Deuteronomy 10:18-19, Zechariah 7:10, Matthew 25:35, Hebrews 13:2, and Ephesians 2:19 to highlight that we should love the foreigner. He did not, however, address whether these texts assume the foreigners were legal or not.
This is important because Israel’s laws in the Old Testament regulated who could stay in the land (Exodus 12:48-49). In that context, the term “foreigners” (gerim) referred to those who lived legally among the Israelites and were subject to the same laws. Otherwise, they could not remain and had to be “cut off” from the land. Therefore, assuming these passages apply to all types of immigration—legal or illegal—is an argument from silence. It relies on what the text does not explicitly say rather than what it does. This reasoning cannot be used to conclude that human immigration laws always contradict God’s will.
Pastor Omar also indicated that modern immigration laws are not found in the Bible. Again, this is an argument from silence and anachronistic.
Romans 13: Obey the Government. . . . Always?
In his video, the pastor stated that divine laws are above human laws and used examples, if I recall correctly, like same-sex marriage or prostitution, which are legal in some places but not supported by the church. I completely agree with this statement; our ultimate loyalty is to God, not human laws. He did not, however, explain how immigration laws violate divine law, despite being asked.
Romans 13:1-5 reminds us that human authorities have been established by God, and unless a law directly contradicts God’s will, Christians are to obey it.
According to Title 8, Chapter 12, code 1325 of the United States Code (if I remember correctly), it is a crime to enter the country illegally. Therefore, those who cross illegally are committing a crime, as stipulated by the law.
The pastor also mentioned that churches are sanctuaries where illegal immigrants could enter, and the police could not remove them since churches were considered “sensitive locations.”
They were. An important point is that this is not a law being violated by the police but rather an internal policy of ICE. A policy serves as a guideline, not as a law (after I pointed this out, he walked it back).
Roman Citizenship and Israelite Citizenship
A historical example illustrates the importance of legality and order. During Paul’s time, the Roman Empire had strict laws on how non-Romans could obtain citizenship. Not everyone could enter the empire, ignore its rules, and enjoy the rights of citizens. There were three main ways a person could acquire Roman citizenship:
1. By birth in a Roman family or Roman province: Citizenship was inherited if both parents were citizens or, in some cases, if the father was a citizen. It was also granted by being born in a Roman province, as was Paul’s case.
2. By purchasing citizenship: Some could obtain it by paying a significant sum, as mentioned by the commander in Acts 22:28: “I acquired this citizenship for a large sum of money.”
3. By merit or special grant: Those who served the empire (such as non-Roman soldiers in the military) or performed exceptional acts could be rewarded with citizenship.
These restrictions show that even in a powerful culture like Rome, there was no indiscriminate access to the benefits of citizenship. The system ensured that people recognized and respected governmental authority.
Necessity, Compassion and Justice: The Principle of Proverbs 6:30-31
The Bible acknowledges that necessity can lead people to break the law. Proverbs 6:30-31 says: “excuses might be found for a thief who steals because he is starving. 31 But if he is caught, he must pay back seven times what he stole, even if he has to sell everything in his house” (New Living Translation).
This principle applies to illegal immigration. We can understand and empathize with those who, out of desperation, cross a border without documents. Many are good neighbors, hard workers, and productive members of society. This does not, however, eliminate the legal consequences or the fact that the initial act was a crime. Compassion must not override the principle of justice. The end does not justify the means. Blessings should not obtain through illegal or immoral methods.
How Should the Church Respond?
As a church, we have a responsibility to balance grace and truth:
1. Show compassion: Help immigrants, regardless of their status, with immediate needs, spiritual, and emotional support. Knowing they are here illegally does not give us the right to mistreat them. Neither is the church a bunch of ICE officials, authorized to make arrests. We should, instead, encourage them to make things right with the law.
2. Be realistic: Acknowledge that disobedience to laws has consequences. Promoting more humane and dignified solutions does not mean ignoring sin or illegality.
3. Advocate for justice: As citizens, we must work for immigration systems that are fair and reflect both human dignity and the need for social order without undermining the safety and well-being of naturalized citizens.
In conclusion, we cannot allow love for our neighbor to become an excuse to ignore justice or legality. The Bible calls us to be compassionate, but it also calls us to obey the laws and promote a balance between the two. To combine compassion with realism, grace with truth. This is a difficult topic, but as Christians, we are called to be a light in the midst of this complexity. The following were 4 common objections I receive from other people after my response to pastor Omar that I think will be of benefits.
Answering Common Objections
The “Hard Working Immigrant” Objection
This argument sounds noble, but in reality, it is the same one used by 19th-century slaveholders when opposing abolition: “If we free the slaves, who will pick our cotton?” This is not an argument for justice but one of convenience.
Taking advantage of the fear and desperation of people fleeing extreme poverty and persecution to pay them poverty wages—far below the legal minimum—is not compassion. It is exploitation. And justifying it by saying, “They still earn more than they would in their home country,” does not make it any less immoral. This practice, far from being altruistic, is pure greed disguised as pragmatism.
Many business owners prefer cheap labor with no legal protections because it allows them to save thousands, if not millions, of dollars. But when those same workers are deported and their businesses collapse due to labor shortages, breached contracts, and lawsuits over unfinished work, they will have no one to blame but themselves.
And yes, the economy might take a temporary hit.
Prices may rise, and our comfort may be affected. But an economy built on the exploitation of the most vulnerable is neither sustainable nor morally acceptable. We cannot continue justifying illegal immigration under the pretext that “we need them” when, in reality, we have created a system that profits from their suffering.
The “You’re a Privilege” Objection
Yes, I speak from privilege. God gave me the privilege of being born on American soil, with the rights and opportunities that come with it. But that does not invalidate my argument.
Saying that my opinion holds no weight because of where I was born is like when an atheist says, “You’re only a Christian because you were born into a Christian family and in a country with Christian roots. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia, you would be Muslim.” But the truth of a belief does not depend on how I acquired it.
The veracity of Christianity does not change just because I was born in a Christian nation, just as the validity of my opinion on immigration does not depend on my citizenship. An argument must be evaluated based on its truth, not on the person presenting it.
“What wouldn’t you do for your children?”, they might ask. But I wouldn’t break just laws. Because when a law is just and I choose to violate it to obtain benefits and privileges, I am not acting in faith but in fear and desperation. I am not trusting that God will provide for my family; I am relying on my own means, even if they are unlawful.
Proverbs 6:30-31 tells us that while we may understand a thief’s hunger, stealing still has consequences. And Romans 13 is clear: opposing just earthly laws is opposing God. Love for our children does not give us a license to do what is wrong. God does not need us to break His principles in order to bless us.
The “But These are Your Compatriots” Objection
My fight is not against people but against a system that incentivizes human suffering and illegality under emotional pretexts. Promoting, encouraging, or justifying illegal immigration is not an act of empathy but complicity in a cycle of exploitation and violence.
Most people who cross illegally do not do so alone. They do it through coyotes—members of criminal cartels who see immigrants as merchandise. These traffickers not only scam them by charging exorbitant fees (which migrants often pay back through forced labor or sexual exploitation), but they also rape, mutilate, and, in many cases, murder them.
The testimonies are abundant:
• Systematic sexual violence: A 2017 Doctors Without Borders report revealed that 1 in 3 women who cross the border illegally experience sexual violence. Many even take contraceptives before the journey because they assume they will be raped.
• Kidnappings and murders: A 2021 Human Rights First report found that over 6,000 migrants were kidnapped, raped, or murdered at the border between 2020 and 2021 while waiting to cross or after they had crossed.
• Human trafficking and modern slavery: The U.S. State Department estimates that thousands of illegal immigrants end up in human trafficking networks, particularly children and teenagers, who are sold into labor and sex exploitation rings.
When the border is open or permissive, these crimes increase. Allowing illegal immigration is not an act of kindness. It is fueling the cartel and perpetuating the suffering of the most vulnerable. If you truly care about immigrants, you will do as I do: work to discourage illegal entry to minimize these horrors. Compassion is not demonstrated by encouraging danger but by promoting legal and safe pathways for migration.
The “Immigration Law is Racist” Objection
I understand the concern for the foreigner and agree that every person should be treated with dignity. The Bible calls us to hospitality (Leviticus 19:33-34), but hospitality is not the same as anarchy. A home opens its doors with order, not allowing just anyone to enter without discretion, destabilizing the household itself.
Regulating immigration is not an act of racism or xenophobia; it is an act of protection and prudence towards the citizens. Every nation has the right to determine who enters its territory, just as a family has the right to decide who enters its home.
1 Timothy 5:8 is clear: “If anyone does not provide for his own, especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” The principle is the same if we extrapolate it to the nation. A government that neglects its own people to indiscriminately care for foreigners is not acting justly. Being compassionate does not mean being irresponsible.
Just as a father cannot sacrifice his family’s well-being to give everything to strangers, a country cannot allow uncontrolled immigration that overwhelms its social and economic resources.
Immigration laws do not exist to exclude certain groups based on race or nationality. They exist to ensure that those who enter contribute to the nation’s well-being. Even in the Bible, foreigners could live in Israel, but under certain conditions:
• They had to integrate into the country’s culture and laws. (Exodus 12:49 – “The same law shall apply to the native and to the foreigner residing among you.”)
• They had to work and contribute to the common good. (2 Thessalonians 3:10 – “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”)
• There was no promotion of disorderly entry. (Nehemiah 13:3 shows that the Jews regulated who could live among them to protect their identity and well-being.)
An orderly immigration system allows a nation to flourish. A chaotic system harms citizens, overwhelms public resources, and enriches human traffickers.
When the Bible speaks of welcoming the foreigner, it does so within the context of order and justice. God commanded Israel to protect foreigners, but not at the expense of the nation’s well-being.
If we truly want to help immigrants, the solution is not to open borders indiscriminately but to advocate for fair and sustainable processes. Allowing illegal entry only perpetuates exploitation, abuse, and the overburdening of a system that, when it collapses, can help neither citizens nor foreigners.
Recommended Resources:
Correct not Politically Correct: About Same-Sex Marriage and Transgenderism by Frank Turek (Book, MP4, )
Stealing From God by Dr. Frank Turek (Book, 10-Part DVD Set, STUDENT Study Guide, TEACHER Study Guide)
Legislating Morality: Is it Wise? Is it Legal? Is it Possible? by Frank Turek (Book, DVD, Mp3, Mp4, PowerPoint download, PowerPoint CD)
How to Interpret Your Bible by Dr. Frank Turek DVD Complete Series, INSTRUCTOR Study Guide, and STUDENT Study Guide
Miguel Rodriguez is the founder of Smart Faith, a platform dedicated to helping Christians defend their faith with clarity and confidence. After experiencing a miraculous healing at 14, he developed a passion for knowing God through study and teaching. He now serves as the Director of Christian Education and a Bible teacher at his local church while also working as a freelance email marketer. Living in Orlando, Florida, with his wife and two daughters, Miguel seeks to equip believers with practical and intellectual tools to strengthen their faith. Through Smart Faith, he provides apologetics and self-improvement content to help Christians live with wisdom and integrity.
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How to Be Human (In an AI World) with Abdu Murray
PodcastWe hear that technology will set us free and that identity is whatever we choose. What we’re not being told is how these promises unravel reality itself, leaving us restless and confused in a world where we can no longer tell what is true. Embrace the Truth president Abdu Murray returns to the program to continue the discussion about his brand-new book, ‘Fake ID‘, and share practical tips for how we can navigate today’s two cultural tsanamis of artificial intelligence and identity ideology. Together, Frank and Abdu answer questions like:
Reality doesn’t go away just because you stop believing in it! And the reality is, our identity is found in the truth of Jesus Christ and Him alone. You’re not just made in His image, but you can actually become a child of God by trusting in Jesus. The truth will set you free! Continue to pray that others may be released by the bondage of today’s cultural lies. If you would like to receive a FREE copy of Abdu’s ‘Spot the Truth & Spot the Lie’ online tool, be sure to email your request to mail@embracethetruth.org.
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Stranger Things: Was Vecna a Victim?
Legislating Morality, Culture & Politics***This review of Stranger Things Season 5 contains major spoilers. Consider yourself warned.
It’s a new year, and the end of an era. Stranger Things, the wildly successful Netflix show, has officially concluded. I watched the show as a fan but also as one who is interested in the underlying worldview. No piece of media is completely neutral. In fact, the arts are meant to be an imaginative exploration of ideas. In story, you don’t just observe beliefs, you inhabit them as an “insider.” If you are not familiar with the show, I would warn that it contains language, violence, and at times depictions of what I determine to be demonic. Season 4 was particularly demonic, and I almost stopped watching. But I was a youth pastor at the time, and most of my students were watching it and needing to debrief. I kept going—and I suspect many other Christians are looking for a debrief as well.
C.S. Lewis draws from Alexander’s Space, Time, and Deity to discuss the difference between “enjoyment” and “contemplation.”[1] Enjoyment is experiencing something: the taste of a cookie, the feeling of the breeze across one’s face, the excitement of a live concert. It is something we experience and about which we have an insider perspective. But contemplation is its opposite. It is to look at something, to examine it, to understand it. Lewis discusses why native religious experiences look silly to outsiders. The reason is because outsiders are looking at the experiences, but the natives are looking along the experiences.[2] They possess a different kind of knowledge. In Stranger Things, I want to enter the experience (look along) a character that audiences were invited into: Henry Creel, also known as Vecna.
Vecna the Victim?
Hinted at during all of season 5 was that Vecna had childhood trauma he did not want to face. Max, as she was trapped in his mind, found shelter in one such memory. Toward the end of the season, Max and Holly Wheeler were trying to escape and found the entrance to a mineshaft. It was clear that this place was not meant to be found. In it was a traumatic memory playing on repeat: the moment Henry became Vecna.
We see a young Henry Creel attempting to rescue a man with a briefcase who was badly injured. But the man, out of his mind and deeply suspicious of Henry, attempted to kill Henry. One shot through Henry’s hand was enough for him to realize he needed to act in self-defense. The result was Henry killing the man with a rock. Henry, still in shock, then opened the briefcase. It was clear that the injured mystery man believed the contents of the briefcase was worth killing over. Curiosity was too much. Inside was a glowing asteroid, and upon touching it, created a connection to what the children called The Mind Flayer. Henry was never the same.
Trauma changes us. Pain is a teacher. Identity is often formed by what is done to us. Henry was forced into self-defense and stumbled upon the alluring power of The Mind Flayer. He did not choose this; it was done to him. This produced great shame, a memory that Henry did not want to face. He avoided that place in his memory until the finale, likely because of the pain it caused him. We all wish that the pain done to us never happened. We imagine what life would have looked like had such pain never occurred. For Henry, the mineshaft was the ultimate place of “what-ifs.” A childhood taken. Innocence corrupted. A new trajectory solidified.
But the showrunners did something unexpected. I thought, while watching it, that they would continue to push a well-established story trope that has become popular in the last decade or so: there are no villains, just victims. Some examples of this. Killmonger from Black Panther (2018) was not evil, he was just abandoned, experienced racial in justice and oppression. Second, Scarlet Witch from Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) was merely a story of the loss of her family and unresolved grief. She was not portrayed as evil; she was simply wounded. I could go on about Elsa in Frozen or Kylo Ren in Disney’s version of Star Wars. The trope has become so engrained in our stories that we are expected to, at some point, empathize with these wounded villains. In the finale of Stranger Things, there was a moment where I thought the show was going to treat Henry (Vecna) the same way. He was not evil; he was just a victim. But to my surprise, Henry revealed to Holly that he could have resisted The Mind Flayer; he could have walked away.
Henry was the victim of a moment, but his identity as the antagonist was a choice. The mineshaft produced a wound in Henry, one that he acted out of from his pain. There are two responses to woundedness: be shaped by it or be healed from it. Henry was shaped; Jesus invites healing. One quick comment on woundedness. The church often mistakes sin with wounds. Victims, and their subsequent woundedness, are told to repent. But how do you repent of a wound? How do you turn from something that was done to you? This is the grave mistake between sin and wounds. You cannot repent of wounds – you repent of sin. But here is another important distinction. Sin often comes from wounds. Henry was deeply wounded, hurt, isolated from this event, yet he chose an identity of sin as a result. There was a moment where Henry was facing this memory, and Will was challenging Henry to (in essence) repent. But Henry was convinced that The Mind Flayer’s critique of humanity was correct: it was corrupt beyond saving. The only solution, to Henry, was to remake the world by destroying it.
Responding to Woundedness
The final battle was between two victims who chose different paths. Henry allowed his woundedness shape his life, whereas El did not. The show does a masterful job of showing Henry and El as two parallel victims – both with powers, both with childhood trauma, both with legitimate motives for revenge. But El healed; Henry did not. The difference? Relationships. Imagine if El was not found by Mike and the gang and she was not “fathered” by Hopper. El was slowly healed by her loving (yet imperfect) relationships. Henry, on the other hand, became filled with malice the longer he was isolated. We can see Henry’s perspective only when we understand who he was connected to: he chose to “abide” in The Mind Flayer, which led to his destruction.
The gospel invites us to both healing and repentance. All of us have things that were done to us, but we all must choose how we respond to such things. Henry responded with more corruption and evil, El responded by healing and, in the end, self-sacrifice. She was the “Christ-type” of the show insofar that she was the self-sacrificing “savior” who ended the cycle of child experimentation. This points to Christ, who experienced great suffering yet sacrificed himself for unworthy humanity. What will you choose? God is the only healer. Psalm 147:3 says, “He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.”
If you are broken, go to the one who has the power to heal. If you have made sinful choices because of woundedness, receive the gift of repentance and turn from your sins. John the Baptist exclaims,
“’The time has come,’ he said. ‘The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!’” (Mark 1:15)
Henry Creel was the victim who became the victimizer and villain. How will you respond to your own pain?
Choose healing and turn from any subsequent sins.
Choose Christ.
References:
[1] C. S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy: the Shape of My Early Life (San Francisco, CA: HarperOne, 2017), 265.
[2] C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology and Ethics, ed. Walter Hooper (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2014), 232.
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If God, Why Evil? (DVD Set), (MP3 Set), and (mp4 Download Set) by Frank Turek
Why Doesn’t God Intervene More? (DVD Set), (MP3 Set), and (mp4 Download Set) by Frank Turek
Why does God allow Bad Things to Happen to Good People? (DVD) and (mp4 Download) by Frank Turek
Relief From the Worst Pain You’ll Ever Experience (DVD) (MP3) (Mp4 Download) by Gary Habermas
Richard Eng serves as the Lead Pastor at Bethel Evangelical Free church in Devils Lake, ND. He is the author of the illustrated children’s book “What Is Heaven Like?” (2022), and has written on faith and cultural issues for The Expository Times, FreeThinking Ministries, CrossExamined, and others. He received his M.A. in Cultural Apologetics from Houston Baptist University, and degrees Ministry and Bible from Grace University. He and his wife have three young children — who are most likely making a mess in the living room right now.
Fake ID: How AI and Identity Ideology Are Collapsing Reality with Abdu Murray
PodcastWhat does it mean to be human? And what if artificial intelligence isn’t just changing technology, but undermining our view of reality? Author, apologist, and founder of Embrace the Truth, Abdu Murray, joins Frank to introduce his brilliant new book, ‘Fake ID: How AI and Identity Ideology Are Collapsing Reality–and What To Do About It‘, that confronts the growing confusion around AI, identity ideology, and truth. In this episode, you’ll hear answers to questions like:
Frank and Abdu will only scratch the surface of ‘Fake ID‘, but there’s much more to uncover. Be sure to pre-order your copy of the book and return next week as they continue the conversation in the midweek podcast episode!
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Top 10 Podcast Episodes of 2025
Theology and Christian ApologeticsIn 2025, we had unforgettable conversations with some of today’s leading apologists, archaeologists, pastors, theologians, philosophers, and Christian influencers who joined Frank to unpack today’s most compelling arguments and evidence for the Christian faith. From digs in the Middle East to Bible studies and political commentary, we covered a lot of ground and hopefully were able to help you answer some of the questions you’ve asked and encountered surrounding faith, freedom, and philosophy.
We’ve kept up with the biggest news headlines and impact events, keeping you informed and engaged amidst the ongoing culture war from a Christian perspective. And then out of nowhere, we were hit with the most devastating tragedy, the martyrdom of our great friend Charlie Kirk–an event that not only shocked the nation, but by God’s grace, rippled forward to a tsunami of worldwide conversions to Christ. We’ve grieved together and grappled with the “why” questions, yet we’re still on mission to #makeheavencrowded with a whole new year ahead. If you missed out on any ‘I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist’ podcasts, now’s the time to catch up. We recommend you start with what our statistics say are the most popular episodes of 2025 based on listens and views!
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#10. Why the Foundations of Islam Are Now Crumbling with Dr. Jay Smith – Part 2
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#9. Charlie Kirk Conspiracy Theories That Lead to Death Threats with Seth Dillon
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#8. Why the Foundations of Islam Are Now Crumbling with Dr. Jay Smith
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#7. If God, Why Evil? Honoring the Life & Legacy of My Friend Charlie Kirk
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#6. MAKE HEAVEN CROWDED and Take a BOLD Stand Christ with Jack Hibbs
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A Case for an Eternal Hell (Part 1): A Biblical Defense
Theology and Christian ApologeticsRecently, the Christian world was abuzz with the news that popular Christian star Kirk Cameron had considered switching his view of hell from the traditional view to annihilationism.[1] While I will not engage the specific comments made by Kirk Cameron on his podcast, I do think that it is important to discuss the topic of hell’s duration, annihilationism, and the traditional view known as eternal conscious torment (ECT). Also, we should note that Kirk is working through his beliefs about hell. Therefore, this article and series are not a response to Kirk Cameron or his beliefs. Rather, the series serves as a necessary engagement on a hotly contested issue.
This article is the first of a three-part series defending the traditional view of hell, otherwise known as ECT. The series will argue that ECT better understands hell from the perspective of Scripture, history, and theological and philosophical understandings of God. In other words, a better case can be made for ECT than other views of hell. I had initially planned to publish this case as a singular article. However, the data grew too large. I acknowledged that the reader would be better served by a series, so we do not get too overwhelmed. A series will help us better digest the material and offer a time of reflection. The first article will review the viewpoints of hell and offer a glimpse of the Scriptural data that supports the ECT view of hell. The second will examine early and major theologians who support the traditional view of hell. The third and final article in the series will review theological and philosophical objections to ECT and see whether they hold as much weight as many purport them to have. Some, not all, annihilationists claim that it is morally reprehensible for God to keep people alive in hell for all eternity.[2] Does the traditional view wreak havoc on the nature of God? Does the Bible suggest that annihilationism is true? While it is not a popular view in modernity, this article will argue that the traditional view of hell is correct and will make a case for the viewpoint by examining material from the Bible, some of the earliest Christian writers trained by the disciples, the four A’s of theology, and the theological and philosophical strength of ECT.
Before we make a case for the traditional viewpoint of hell, it is important to get a lay of the land as it pertains to three major viewpoints concerning the duration of hell. Additionally, it is also important to note that this issue is not what would be considered a matter of heresy. Though the doctrine of hell is extremely important, the doctrine of hell’s duration does not tamper with first-level doctrines that constitute the fundamentals of the Christian faith. Nonetheless, as some have noted, additional discernment may be needed with those who espouse viewpoints that differ from the traditional view, but not by necessity. This is certainly something that should be distinguished on a case-by-case basis. With that in mind, let’s now consider the three viewpoints of hell.
1. The Viewpoints of Hell’s Duration
As I often tell my students, a researcher must first seek to understand the viewpoints on the table before seeking to offer a defense for their own. The same holds true for this theological venture. At the time of this writing, three major viewpoints of hell’s duration have taken center stage: the traditional view, otherwise known as eternal conscious torment (ECT), the annihilationist view (sometimes called conditionalism), and the universalist view.
The Traditional View (ECT)
First, there is the traditional viewpoint called eternal conscious torment. This view holds that hell is an eternal place where the condemned spend an eternity. What this eternity looks like is an area that could be covered in a future article. Nonetheless, as Norman Geisler states, the “doctrine of hell, like the doctrine of the Trinity, was revealed progressively: more implied (implicit) in the Old Testament and more developed (explicit) in the New Testament.”[3]
The Annihilationist View (Conditionalism)
The second viewpoint that has gathered quite a large following, and one that Kirk Cameron now endorses, is called annihilationism or conditionalism. Annihilationism maintains that hell is a place of death for the condemned. That is, the condemned spend a temporary time in hell before being exterminated or non-existent. For the annihilationist, hell is a place where spiritual death occurs, where the condemned become non-existent. Interestingly, though I have not included annihilationism as heretical, it was condemned as such by a synod in Constantinople in 543, the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, and by the Fifth Lateran Council of 1513.[4]
The Universalist View (Universalism)
The third viewpoint is called universalism. Universalism maintains that the condemned will spend a temporary period of time in hell before they are reformed and restored to a right relationship with God. For universalists, everything will be redeemed and restored back to God’s good graces in the end. Like annihilationism, universalism was also condemned as heretical at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 and sparked intense debates between the patriarchs of Jerusalem and Antioch, thus showing that just because a view was held by some in antiquity does not mean that it was necessarily viewed as orthodox.[5]
2.Case from Biblical Texts
Since orthodox Christians hold to the inspiration, infallibility, and inerrancy of Scripture, it behooves us to begin making a case for ECT from the biblical text. Often, annihilationists will contend that words like “death” and “destruction” should be understood as the literal death or non-existence of a person or thing. While in their normal literal parlance, the terms mean just that, these terms can also be used as euphemisms pointing to something different.
For instance, Jesus used the word “sleep” when he spoke of the death of Lazarus (Jn. 11:11). However, he later confirms that the term “sleep” was symbolic for a physical death (Jn. 11:12-15). Likewise, Scripture may use terms like “death” and “destruction” to refer to something else, something eternal. Let’s examine a few biblical texts.
Daniel 12:2
“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred since nations came into being until that time. But at that time all your people who are found written in the book will escape. Many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to eternal life, and some to disgrace and eternal contempt” (Dan. 12:1-2). Daniel envisions a time where the archangel Michael and his angelic forces engage Satan (a.k.a., the “Dragon”) and his angels in warfare. Israel will experience a time of great distress unlike anything the world has ever seen.
After the spiritual combat has concluded, a time of global resurrection will commence. There are good reasons to believe that two resurrection periods commence, one prior to the time of tribulation, and the other preceding the Great White Throne judgment. Nonetheless, Daniel reports seeing the resurrection of the redeemed and the condemned. Both are resurrected to an eternal life somewhere. The redeemed will “awake . . . to eternal life” (Dan. 12:2a) with God. The condemned will awake to “disgrace and eternal contempt” (Dan. 12:2b). In this text, “sleep” is used as a euphemism for physical death (e.g., Jn. 11:11-14; Acts 7:60; 1 Thess. 4:13; 1 Cor. 15:51). In this sense, sleep only refers to physical death. As noted by Stephen Miller and Joyce Baldwin, the text lends no support to the theories of soul sleep and annihilation.[6] Baldwin explains that “the reason for using ‘sleep’ here as a metaphor for ‘die’ is that sleep is a temporary state from which we normally awake, and so the reader is prepared for the thought of resurrection.”[7] The term “contempt” comes from the Hebrew term harapot, which designates a plural of “intensive fullness” of great shame.[8] The term dera’on refers to an “object of aversion” or “abhorrence.”[9] Interestingly, the only other occurrence of dera’on in the Old Testament is found in Isaiah 66:24, which depicts an eternal state, saying, “As they leave, they will see the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never go out, and they will be a horror to all humanity” (Isa. 66:24).
Intertestamental Understanding of Hell
Though not considered Scripture by Protestant Christians, the Apocrypha offers some insight into the understanding of hell’s nature. The writer of 4 Maccabees described hell as a place where “divine judgment delivers thee unto a more rapid and eternal fire and torments which shall not leave hold on thee to all eternity … A great struggle and peril of the soul awaits in eternal torment those who transgress the ordinance of God” (4 Maccabees 12:12; 13:5).
Matthew 22:13
In a parable, Jesus parallels God the Father with a proverbial king who tells his attendants to “Tie him up hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 22:13).[10] The act of weeping and gnashing of teeth does not depict someone who has been burned up and no longer existent. Rather, these actions come from someone who remains metaphysically alive. Some will say, “But this may be at the initial moments of hell.” However, there is nothing in the text that suggests that the actions will not continue. Is fire a metaphor for God’s judgment? Or does it speak to an existence without the loving presence of God—a world of chaos and depravity? Those are some considerations for further research.
Matthew 25:41
In Jesus’s Olivet Discourse, Jesus taught that the angels would divide humanity into two sections: those on their right are individuals who had a right relationship with God, whereas those on the left are those who denied God and rejected his grace. After the gathering occurs, the command will be given to the condemned, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels!” (Matt. 25:41). We should note that hell was not planned for humanity. It is a place created for the devil and his minions. For someone to reject God’s grace, they essentially say, “I do not want God in my life.” Therefore, God grants them what they desire. That’s why people wind up in hell. More on that in a future article.
Jude 6, 12-13
Jude, likely a disciple and brother of Jesus, offered some strong teachings on hell. He notes that “the angels who did not keep their position but abandoned their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deep darkness for the day of judgment on the great day … [and speaking of those who live in rebellion] These people are dangerous reefs at your love feasts as they eat with you without reverence. They are shepherds who only look after themselves. They are waterless clouds carried along by winds; trees in late autumn—fruitless, twice dead and uprooted. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shameful deeds; wandering stars for whom the blackness of darkness is reserved forever” (Jude 6, 12). In vivid language, Jude acknowledges the darkness of hell and the conscious abiding nature of hell. He notes that hell is a dark place, likely noting that it does not hold the light of God’s glory there.
Revelation 14:10-11
In Revelation, John notes that the beast will “also drink of the wine of God’s wrath, which is poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest, day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or anyone who receives the mark of its name” (Rev. 14:10-11). Here again, the anguish of hell does not cease. Obviously, hell is not a place where anyone wants to be. But remember, God did not design hell for human beings. It is designed for the devil and his angels. To go to hell means that a person resists and rejects the goodness of God and willfully chooses to live their eternal existence away from their loving Creator, apart from God’s kingdom, and willfully rejecting God’s loving watch care. If you are blaming God at this point, let me evoke my best impression of R. C. Sproul and inquire, “WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?” Of course, I say this jokingly. But still, how can we blame God for something a person willfully chooses? To reject God is to choose Satan. If that’s the state you want, you cannot blame God for that.
Revelation 20:10, 13-15
In what I call the judgment chapter of Revelation, Satan’s ultimate demise is shown as he will be “thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Rev. 20:10). The redeemed and condemned have been resurrected to a new eternal body by this point. Then, when judgment is meted out by God at the Great White Throne judgment, death and Hades gave up their dead” (Rev. 20:13). Note here that death is used to speak of those who are living, yet living without the graces of God. Each one of the dead are consciously judged, indicating that the term “death” is used metaphorically and not metaphysically.
After God delivers his judgment, “Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire” (Rev. 20:14-15). Since God’s presence permeates the entire new creation, the judgment and Lake of Fire constitute another realm “outside the geography of the new universe,”[11] a place of utter darkness. This ultimate separation from God’s grace and presence is rightly called a second death, because the existence of its residents is without God’s protection, lovingkindness, and glory.
The writer of 2 Baruch of the intertestamental period teaches that righteous will enjoy rest and great blessings in the new creation for “to them shall be given the world to come, but the dwelling of the rest who are many shall be in the fire” (2 Baruch 44:15). In 4 Ezra, one pleads with God for forgiveness, and God told him, “I will show you that also, but do not include yourself with those who have shown scorn, or number yourself among those who are tormented” (4 Ezra 7:75).[12]
Conclusion
As has been shown, a strong case can be made for the traditional ECT viewpoint of hell. Not only do the writers of the New Testament hold this view, but it was also reflected in the writings of the Old Testament and the theologians of the intertestamental period. Granted, ECT is not the most comfortable position to hold. I found myself thanking God for his salvation as I wrote this piece. However, we must ask whether the traditional ECT view comports with the biblical data. Most assuredly, ECT does reflect the overarching theme of the biblical teaching on hell.
Even still, our case continues in our next article with an examination of the views of hell espoused by some of the most important theologians of history. We will look at the theology of those who were impacted by the disciples of Jesus before looking into the theological viewpoints of hell among those who are some of the most important theologians of Christian history.
References:
[1] Kirk Cameron and James Cameron, “Are We Wrong about Hell?,” Dangerous Conversations: The Kirk Camron Show, episode 86, YouTube.com (December 4, 2025), https://youtu.be/_RflbA8Vt_Y?si=asm4iytTdxkM_V9j
[2] Chris Date, “Chris Date’s Second Rebuttal to Jerry Shepherd,” Theologyinthe Raw.com (March 11, 2016), https://theologyintheraw.com/chris-dates-second-rebuttal-to-jerry-shepherd/ .
[3] Norman Geisler, Systematic Theology, Volume Four: Church, Last Things (Minneapolis: Bethany, 2005), 328.
[4] Geisler, Systematic Theology, Volume Four, 391; See also John Wenham, “The Case for Conditional Immortality,” in Universalism and the Doctrine of Hell, Nigel M. de S. Cameron, ed (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1992), 28; and F. L. Cross, Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, 2nd ed (London: Oxford University Press, 1978), 328.
[5] David Griffith, The Great Divide and the Salvation Paradox (Eugene, OR: Pickwick, 2022), Logos Bible Software.
[6] Stephen A. Miller, Daniel, vol. 18, New American Commentary (Nashville: B&H, 1994), 316; Joyce G. Baldwin, Daniel, vol. 23, Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 1978), 204.
[7] Baldwin, Daniel, TOTC, 204.
[8] Keil, Daniel, 483.
[9] Miller, Daniel, NAC, 316.
[10] Unless otherwise noted, all quoted Scripture comes from the Christian Standard Bible (Nashville: Holman, 2020).
[11] G. K. Beale, The Book of Revelation: A Commentary on the Greek Text, New International Greek Testament Commentary (Grand Rapids: W. B. Eerdmans, 1999), 1061.
[12] The intertestamental texts are added to show the viewpoints of hell among those between the period of the Old Testament and the New Testament.
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If God, Why Evil? (DVD Set), (MP3 Set), and (mp4 Download Set) by Frank Turek
Why Doesn’t God Intervene More? (DVD Set), (MP3 Set), and (mp4 Download Set) by Frank Turek
Why does God allow Bad Things to Happen to Good People? (DVD) and (mp4 Download) by Frank Turek
Dr. Brian G. Chilton (PhD, Liberty University) is the founder of Bellator Christi Ministries and the co-host of the Bellator Christi Podcast. He serves as a hospice chaplain and an Adjunct Professor of Apologetics for Carolina College of Biblical Studies, a Dissertation Mentor/Adjunct Professor for Liberty University in the PhD in Applied Apologetics program, and an Adjunct Professor/Dissertation Reader at Carolina University in the DMin program. Dr. Chilton’s primary area of research is on early Christianity, oral traditions, NT creeds, the blend of divine sovereignty and human freedom, and near-death experiences (NDEs).
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