Is St. Patrick’s Day all about drinking green beer in a pub? And why are people on the political left typically more anxious and depressed than people on the political right? What do the studies say? Today, Frank dives into the not-so-famous history of St. Patrick’s Day and unpacks a WORLD article written by Thaddeus Williams, ‘Why Leftism is Bad for Mental Health: An Ideology That Politicizes Real Trauma Leads to Minds Immersed in Fear‘. Tune in as he answers questions like:

  • Why do studies reveal that the political left are not doing well in terms of mental health?
  • What is the “Uh-Oh Center” in our brains?
  • Why is it dangerous and illogical to overgeneralize our life experiences?
  • How do good psychologists help people who are crippled with fear and anxiety?
  • Why do we celebrate St. Patrick’s Day on March 17th?
  • How did God use St. Patrick to share the Gospel in Ireland against all odds and amidst great opposition?
  • How did St. Patrick influence laws in the United States?
  • Why is St. Patrick considered one of the world’s first abolitionists?

Later in the episode, Frank addresses listener questions related to:

  • Can we trust the reliability of the New Testament documents?
  • Are differences in details always a contradiction?
  • What is spotlighting?
  • Should Christians support an apostate Israel?
  • What does it mean to bless Israel?
  • Why is it important to read the Hamas Charter?

Be sure to check out the helpful resources listed below and join us on Friday’s podcast to learn more about how Christians should approach Zionism and antisemitism with Pastor Robert Furrow!

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Resources mentioned during the episode:

Donate to CrossExamined
Why Leftism is Bad for Mental Health by Thaddeus Williams
The Big Book of Bible Difficulties
The War on Reality by Frank Turek and Phoenix Hayes
St. Patrick and the Times He Lived – Bill Federer American Minute
Read the Hamas Charter
Southern Evangelical Seminary
CIA Online
CIA In-Person

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Social media can be one of the darkest places in the world. People comment with cruel disregard for whoever is on the other side of the screen. Yet, Christians have a responsibility to be the light of Christ in everything, including our social media message.

Twenty years ago, many of us couldn’t imagine social media existing much less consuming large portions of our lives. But, it has become how most people get news and interact with the global community on a daily basis. I don’t know the exact statistics, but most people check social media first thing each morning.

On June 30, 2010 people celebrated the first World Social Media Day, which is around the time I joined the ranks of smart phone users and began to dip my toe into this new Facebook thing that was replacing MySpace.

And I’ve come to embrace it in many forms. I’m on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, and StumbleUpon, and a few more, but haven’t bitten the SnapChat or WhatsApp bullet yet. But one thing I try to do no matter which site I’m on is portray a consistent Christ-centered message. Whether on my personal page or Heaven not Harvard accounts, nothing matters more to me than being as genuine a witness for my faith as I can be in every aspect of my social media use.

But social media is hard! People are emboldened behind their keyboards to share every thought and emotion, often without much thought to how their words reflect on them as people or affect others.

Our social media message should be centered on a Kingdom-mindset and Christ focus.

Honestly, I could write a book about Christian social media usage, but today, I want to focus on how we interact with our friends primarily. Because it’s easy to see that social media is destructive and divisive within marriages and friendships. So, we need to make sure we don’t miss the opportunity to be a light for Christ on social media among our friends. Be the Light in the Darkness of Social Media

So why use social media at all?        

As a veteran wife, I live in a transient community. Social media allows us to stay in touch with people who have moved away and stay close through interacting with each other online. Also, we live far from all our family. Social media allows us to feel more connected to family: cousins, aunts and grandparents, even those on the other side of the country or even world. Even in the civilian sector, social media allows us to befriend and communicate with people around the globe. I’ve made real friendships with people in other states and walks of life and even on other continents.

BUT . . . We need to be careful to keep Christ the center of all areas of our lives. Our words have more weight than ever, and words without the benefit of tone of voice or facial expressions. Only our words must stand and reflect the heart we had when we posted an article or comment. I write this not as one who has mastered my online words or social media message, but as one contending for righteousness in this arena.

“I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak” Matthew 12:36 (ESV)

It is not a stretch to assume that God will also hold us accountable for the words we type, as well. Recently, I shared a favorite post about service and the importance of focusing less on what I’m getting, more on how I’m loving others.

Focusing on how I love has also changed how I interact online. Recently, a socially liberal, atheist friend and I were on opposite sides of an emotional issue in a Facebook thread. No matter how I explained my thoughts, he didn’t see it my way. While tempted to use snarky wit to drive home my point, my goal in the conversation surpassed this one issue. Ultimately, my Kingdom-minded goal was to love my friend by demonstrating the love of Christ who lives in me. At the end of the day, even this delicate and difficult topic was not as important as reaching my friend for Christ.

At the end of the day, being right isn’t as important as reaching people with the Gospel and loving them like Christ. #ChristianWoman #Christian #Gospel #SocialMedia Share on X

I prayed before reading each of his replies. Again, I prayed before replying. I typed replies and then prayed and revised. In the end, I was able to address HIM not his position or his ideas, but reach out as a friend. “Hey, our friendship is more important than our agreement here.” Doing so reflected Christ more than convincing him of my Christian position on this issue ever would have.

I struggle with this issue everyday since I’m fairly political. And I do believe part of God’s calling in my life has been to righteously contend for His truths. I feel very strongly, however, that I should err on the side of invitation and grace in how I interact on social media. When I account for my words, I want to be able to say that everything I said was done in my very human attempt to be a light for Christ in one of the darkest places in the world – the internet. So, what about you? Is Christ the focus in your social media message?

References:

Counter Culture Christian: Is the Bible True? by Frank Turek (Mp3), (Mp4), and (DVD)        

How Can Jesus be the Only Way? Mp4, Mp3, and DVD by Frank Turek

If God, Why Evil? (DVD Set), (MP3 Set), and (mp4 Download Set) by Frank Turek 

Person of Interest: Why Jesus Still Matters in a World that Rejects the Bible by J. Warner Wallace (Paperback), (Investigator’s Guide).

 


Jennifer DeFrates is a former English and Social Studies teacher turned homeschool mom and Christian blogger at Heavennotharvard.com and theMamapologist.com. Jennifer is a 2x CIA graduate (the Cross-Examined Instructors Academy) and volunteers with Mama Bear Apologetics. She has a passion for discipleship through apologetics. Her action figure would come with coffee and a stack of books. She is also the reluctant ringleader of a small menagerie in rural Alabama.

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Why are we so miserable? We have everything we need in America, but anxiety, depression, and “identity confusion” are at an all-time high. Do we have everything to live with but nothing to live for? What’s going on and what is the solution to all this?

John Stonestreet, President of Colson Center, joins Frank to talk about the mission behind ‘Truth Rising‘–a documentary and small group study designed to catapult Christians out of complacency and into their God-given purpose. You’ll hear incredible stories of ordinary people who faced cancel-culture head on and stood firm in their faith, proving that real strength comes from the objective truth of Christianity. Tune in as Frank and John answer questions like:

  • What did Charlie Kirk say was the most important thing that young people need to understand?
  • What does a magnetic compass teach us about the true direction of life?
  • Why does a culture focused on self-esteem often produce despair instead of confidence?
  • What 4 things do you need to live with Christian courage in the world today?
  • How is the Colson Center the cure for “Happy Clappy” churches?
  • What does it mean to be “called” to do something? And how do you know you’re doing it “right”?
  • How did 5 different people respond with courage, clarity, and a Christ-centered vision against all odds?

If you have ever felt hesitant to live your Christian faith out loud, let these stories of unbelievable perseverance encourage you to step up, speak out, and live with intentionality and purpose. Become a part of the ‘Truth Rising’ story and see for yourself that there is nothing more compelling than a life lived in the light of the TRUTH.

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Resources mentioned during the episode:

Donate to CrossExamined.org
Truth Rising – Documentary & Study
Colson Fellows Church Program
Colson Center

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One thing is certain: antisemitism—indeed, outright Jew-hatred—is not merely an ancient problem. It remains disturbingly prevalent and resilient today. From Pharaoh and Haman in the biblical narrative, to the exiles under oppressive empires, through medieval Europe with its deicide charges (blaming Jews for the death of Jesus), blood libels, and well-poisoning myths, antisemitism has taken many forms. It appeared in pagan Rome, medieval Christendom, and in various Islamic contexts. We have seen economic scapegoating, ghettos, expulsions, and later racialized antisemitism under Nazism, followed by conspiracy theories and, in our own day, a viscous anti-Zionism and what Matt Walsh has called “Jew Derangement Syndrome.”

The more I observe debates about Israel online—I see some of the most vile and hateful rhetoric imaginable—along with antisemitic attacks across the world. The sheer excess and durability of this hatred seem to go beyond normal political, ethnic, or economic rivalries.

Today, some have become deeply invested in what might be called “Palestinianism,” adopting a simplistic oppressed/oppressor narrative in which the Israeli government is portrayed as the worst evil on the global stage. This fixation often leads to selective moral outrage, ignoring or minimizing other major humanitarian crises around the world. Whether Israel is guilty of every accusation circulating in the media is a complex and separate discussion. What is clear, however, is that the hatred and vitriol frequently extend far beyond the policies of the Israeli government and spill over onto Jewish people everywhere.

Many who spew antisemitic rhetoric are simply absorbing what they read and hear online. Yet the deeper point remains: this hostility toward Jews keeps reappearing across wildly different cultures, ideologies, and historical periods.

For my part, I embrace Jesus as the Jewish Messiah and the Messiah of the nations. You cannot divorce Jesus’ ministry from the Jewish people or from Israel. The roots of the Christian faith are thoroughly Jewish.

For many of us who reflect seriously on this phenomenon, a basic intuition arises: Why this people—everywhere, across millennia? This intuition leads some to consider that there may be more at work than merely social, political, or economic causes. A spiritual explanation begins to appear plausible.

The deepest explanation for this long-standing, irrational, and persistent hatred of the Jewish people may involve demonic opposition. The patterns of antisemitism we continue to witness today often manifest in familiar forms:

  • Racial/Ethnic Hatred:Discrimination against Jews based on ethnicity or group identity.
  • Economic Conspiracy Theories:Resentment fueled by myths about Jewish wealth and power.
  • Scapegoating:Blaming Jews for social, political, or economic problems.
  • Deicide Theory:The belief that “the Jews” are collectively responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. While certain Jewish leaders opposed Jesus and played a role in the events leading to His crucifixion, Scripture also recognizes the decisive role of the Roman authorities. Moreover, Christian theology affirms that Jesus willingly laid down His life for the salvation of humanity in accordance with God’s redemptive plan. For Christians, blaming Jews for the death of Jesus—when their own salvation depends upon that sacrifice—makes no rational sense.
  • “Chosen People” Resentment:Hostility toward Jews rooted in resentment over their biblical identity as God’s chosen people, which can provoke jealousy even among Christians. The secular nature of the modern state of Israel or of individual Jews does not negate their covenantal status within the biblical narrative.

Scripture teaches that God chose Israel as the people through whom (1) the Scriptures would come and (2) the Messiah would come. Jesus was Jewish. The apostles were Jewish. Salvation history is rooted in Israel.

From this framework, some Christians reason as follows: if Satan opposes God’s redemptive plan, it would make sense for him to target the people through whom that plan unfolds.

Jeremiah speaks powerfully to God’s enduring covenant faithfulness:

“Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the Lord of hosts is his name: ‘If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.’ … ‘If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done,’ declares the Lord.”
(Jeremiah 31:35–37)

A similar promise appears in Jeremiah 33:23–26, where God rebukes those who claim that He has rejected the families He chose and reaffirms His covenant with Israel and David.

Christians rejoice that God has kept His promises by preserving the Jewish people throughout history. Their continued existence testifies to the faithfulness and character of the God Christians worship. Yet, from a spiritual perspective, one could argue that this very faithfulness is what provokes satanic hostility. If the Jewish people were eradicated, God’s promises would appear void, and His character could be impugned. In that sense, antisemitism becomes not merely hatred of a people, but an indirect assault on the trustworthiness of God Himself.

In the end, as I continue to witness the resurgence and intensification of Jew-hatred across the world, purely naturalistic explanations seem increasingly inadequate on their own. Social, political, and economic factors help explain how antisemitism manifests in different eras, but they do not fully account for why this particular hatred persists with such tenacity across millennia. From a Christian worldview, a deeper spiritual conflict offers a more coherent account of this tragic and enduring phenomenon.

Recommended Resources:

Answering Islam by Dr. Frank Turek (DVD Set, Mp4 and Mp3)

Was Jesus Intolerant? by Frank Turek (DVD and Mp4)

Correct not Politically Correct: About Same-Sex Marriage and Transgenderism by Frank Turek (Book, MP4, )

Legislating Morality: Is it Wise? Is it Legal? Is it Possible? by Frank Turek (Book, DVD, Mp3, Mp4, PowerPoint download, PowerPoint CD)

 


Eric Chabot was raised in a mainline denomination in Columbus, Ohio, but he doesn’t really remember hearing too many teachings from Scripture—and definitely not any salvation messages. Although not Jewish himself, Eric grew up in a Jewish community, where most of his friends were Jewish. He attended countless Jewish holiday events, weddings, and numerous Bar and Bat Mitzvahs. His daily exposure to Jewish culture continued throughout his youth and into his college years. At age 24, Eric had never before met Jewish people who believed in Yeshua (Jesus). Invited by a friend to attend Beth Messiah, a messianic congregation led by a Jewish pastor, Eric heard the powerful and convicting message of salvation, for the first time, taught from the Book of Matthew. After becoming a believer a few weeks later, Eric felt a strong burden from God to share his faith in Yeshua with his Jewish friends. Through Beth Messiah Congregation, Eric grew spiritually and looked for opportunities to serve the Lord. He began to understand how God had strategically placed him around so many Jewish people, and he could see that God had a calling on his life. Eric also understood that he was fulfilling what Paul wrote in Romans 11:11 about the role of the Gentiles: “. . . to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.” Eric holds an M.A. in Religious Studies from Southern Evangelical Seminary. Serving full-time as Midwest Ministry Representative for CJF Ministries, Eric uses his gift of evangelism to reach out to Jewish people in a variety of ways and venues. He speaks in local churches and conferences about the Jewish roots of the historic Christian faith (and other relevant topics) and also serves as director of Ratio Christi apologetics chapter on the campus of Ohio State University. A collection of come of his apologetics teachings is available on his YouTube channel. [https://www.cjfm.org/about-us/us-representatives/eric-chabot/biography/]

What’s next for Iran and is this current war a sign of the end times? For nearly five decades, millions of Iranians have lived under the harsh realities of militant Sharia law, while many in the West still misunderstand or even enable the system behind it. In this follow-up episode, historian Bill Federer returns to unpack how the 1979 Iranian revolution transformed Persia and why the consequences still ripple across the Middle East and beyond. Tune in as Frank and Bill tackle questions like:

  • What laws were immediately imposed when the Ayatollah seized power in 1979?
  • What president gave the Ayatollah the green light to take over?
  • What lies did this Ayatollah tell America in order to take power?
  • Who did he execute immediately when he took power?
  • What’s the difference between Iran and Iraq?
  • What is a fatwa, and how can it function as a tool of political and religious execution?
  • Why do many Middle Eastern leaders privately oppose Iran while publicly aligning with it?
  • How did U.S. foreign policy decisions help shape the rise of militant Islamist movements?
  • Why is the centuries-old Shia–Sunni divide still the key to understanding Middle Eastern conflict?
  • What is “Twelver” Islam theology and why does it make Iran uniquely dangerous on the global stage?
  • Is a democratic Iran even possible, and what would it take for regime change to occur?
  • How and when did Israel become its own nation?
  • What role does Israel play in the future balance of power in the Middle East?
  • What does Bill think is coming next for Iran and who is he praying will take over?
  • What does the Bible say about the land we now know as Iran?
  • Is this war a sign of the end times?

Pray for our leaders, and pray that the people of Iran are safe, but their evil government is dealt with justly. If you missed Part 1, be sure to go back and hear how Persia’s ancient past set the stage for today’s crisis. And for more information on this topic, be sure to check out Bill’s book, What Every American Needs to Know About the Quran‘!

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Resources mentioned during the episode:

Donate to CrossExamined.org
What No One Ever Told You About the History of Iran with Bill Federer – Part 1
The American Minute
What Every American Needs to Know About the Quran by Bill Federer

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Introduction

The argument from information in contemporary terms is a novel teleological argument[1]  for the existence of God with its deepest roots in the mid-20th century. Most would describe its origins differently, including many proponents of this argument. They would begin their history of it with William Paley’s “watch in the heath” argument from 1802. Both arguments point to an object with unknown origin and reason from features of the object to the conclusion that it was designed by some intelligence rather than “naturally” occurring. Some modern design arguments are similar to Paley’s, such as Michael Behe’s irreducible complexity or Douglas Axe’s functional coherence. However, these types of arguments do not appeal to the concept of information as William Dembski’s specified complexity argument does. Ideas like irreducible complexity and Paley’s watch argument mostly appeal to a common-sense inference from the mechanical aspects of biology. But an argument from information is a different type of argument. Paley’s and others’ explication of what these features are simply could not have been understood the way modern information argument proponents understand it until the advent of information theory in the mid-20th century. Applying this argument to living things had to wait until the discovery of the structure of DNA in 1953, which showed that DNA is quite literally a digital message string exactly as information theory describes. Information theory deals with coded digital messages usually sent over long distances with modern technology. The contemporary argument from information as formulated by Dembski and others is intended to be the general logical form of many different types of design inferences, including all the ones mentioned above. In this article, I will explain what the contemporary argument from information is and show why it is among the most compelling arguments for the existence of God today.

What is Information?

First, we need to understand the difference between analog and digital information. Most people think “digital” just means “electronic.” However, in information theoretic terms, “digital” means “discrete” or “discontinuous.” Analog information is like the lines of a drawing or a geometric curve on a graph. In order to exactly copy this type of analog information, one would have to have a perfect replica of the drawing at every point of every line. Digital information is much different, because it only depends on the characters in a message string and the code in which those characters are used. If I changed the font of this document, that would change the analog information, but it would not change the digital information. Digital information is superior to analog in the sense that it is much harder to copy analog information or translate it to some other medium. Copying the Mona Lisa, for example, is making a copy of analog information. Copying this sentence is copying digital information, and it does not depend on one’s handwriting skill in the same way that copying the Mona Lisa would depend on one’s painting skill. Digital information is the kind of information in DNA, and the kind referred to in the context of the information argument.

Digital information is measurable. Because it depends on a code, for example the twenty-six letters of the English alphabet, the number of total possible message strings can be compared to the number of message strings allowed by a particular message to get a numerical ratio. So let’s say we use the alphabet with no additional characters to spell out the phrase “METHINKSITISLIKEAWEASEL.” Because there are twenty-three positions in this string, and twenty-six possible characters at each position, we can calculate the ratio of strings we actually have, which is one, compared to the total number of possible strings, which is 26^23, or ~3.5×10^32. Since we only have one string, this ratio would simply be 1/3.5×10^32 or 3.5×10^-32. Notice that if we increase the number of characters in the code, say by adding some punctuation characters like spaces and periods, this increases the denominator and makes the ratio smaller. Whereas, if we increase the number of possible message strings, say by making some of the letters in our message string variables that could be any character, that would increase the number in the numerator, making the final ratio bigger. Intuitively, we know that the amount of information would decrease if there were more possible message strings, meaning the message is less specific, and increase if the code were more complex, thus excluding more possibilities. So, in information theory we simply take the reciprocal of this ratio as our raw information measure. Normally it is converted into base 2, represented as a logarithm, and called “bits.”

Notice that DNA can be converted into an information metric in precisely this way. Since DNA has four characters, A, T, C, and G, we can take any length of DNA and turn it into a number 4^n, where n is the length of the DNA segment counted in bases. Protein sequences can also be converted into information metrics similarly. Since there are twenty amino acids normally in proteins (there are a few extremely rare additional ones), we can take any length of protein and turn it into a number 20^n, where n is the length of the protein sequence. We will return to this later.

Conceptually then, information is measured by comparing the number of possible messages represented by our message string to the total number of possible messages for any message string of the same length. This identifies information as a reduction of uncertainty. A character string of “xxxxxxxxxx” where “x” could be any number between zero and nine has no reduction of uncertainty and therefore no information. Whereas, a string of 0123456789 represents only one possible string out of 10^10 total possible strings for this length and this code. That is quite a lot of information. But the key point is that even very short message strings can contain a high amount of information by excluding a large number of possible message strings. And even having the same message string but making the code more complex eliminates more possibilities, so information can increase by changing the code even though the message string itself doesn’t change. Given that the size of the code used, which dictates the number of possibilities excluded, is usually the determining factor in how much information we have, it makes more sense in information theory to talk about the number of possibilities excluded than the number we actually have, which is usually only one, that is, the one identified by our message string. This is why information is defined as the exclusion of possibilities, also stated as a reduction in uncertainty.[2] This is called Shannon information after its originator, Claude Shannon.[3]

Complex Specified Information     

Shannon information does not necessarily have to mean anything. It can be a random jumble of characters signifying nothing. But there does seem to be a kind of information that intuitively seems to come from intelligence, like the words on this page. William Dembski noticed this and formulated a definition of this special kind of information. He called it specified complexity, or complex specified information. Complexity is essentially the same thing as Shannon information; it’s a measure of the improbability of an occurrence. This is just the thing that actually occurs compared to the number of possible things which could have occurred. Specification is harder to define. Originally, Dembski defined it as an independent pattern.

More recently, however, Dembski and Ewert have defined a specification as similar to a different kind of complexity called Kolmogorov complexity. Kolmogorov complexity is the shortest algorithm that can reproduce some Shannon information.[4] For example, if we have two copies of the same message string, a Shannon information measure would count that as double the amount of information of a single copy, but it seems intuitive that this is not really double the amount of information. Kolmogorov complexity would say that one can make an algorithm which is shorter than the two copies simply by having only one copy of the Shannon information, plus an algorithmic command to repeat it once, reproducing two copies of the same Shannon information. This would be much less information measured as Shannon information than two entire copies, but slightly more than just one copy. So Kolmogorov complexity is like the absolute minimum amount of algorithmic information required to represent some amount of Shannon information. This sounds somewhat redundant, but as the example above shows, it is a useful concept.

Similarly, Dembski and Ewert have defined a specification as a short description, or perhaps the shortest description.[5] This is another information measure of how much information we have. Instead of being measured according to the number of possibilities excluded, a specification refers to the information measure of its description. They mean this quite literally in terms of some language and the minimum number of words, like Kolmogorov complexity, needed to describe the artifact in question. They discuss how information measured in this way is somewhat relative to the language used but show that most real languages give similar results. For example, English has about 200,000 words in common usage, and therefore one word in English is about 17.6 bits, which they round up to 20 bits.[6] They give an example of how to apply this to a protein function like “binds ATP” whose two words would constitute a 40-bit specification.[7] They give an equation for how to relate complexity metrics with specification metrics to give a numerical result for specified complexity. A large result means a large amount of specified complexity. In words, a low probability (which is a high complexity) combined with a short description constitutes specified complexity.

Dembski has always argued that specified complexity is the property of objects we intuitively recognize as the artifact of intelligent design.[8] Specified complexity represents the feature we see in letters drawn in the sand, or Mount Rushmore. These arrangements are highly improbable, but of course virtually any arrangement of grains of sand on a beach or rock faces is highly improbable. It is not just improbability but improbability paired with a specification that indicates design. Other examples, say a vortex swirling in a liquid or a crystal growing into a precise geometric shape, have short descriptions, i.e. specifications, but with high probability. The high probability here is due to laws restricting possibilities so that the occurrence of the vortex or crystal is a highly probable result. So even though it seems to have a pattern that we might identify as a specification, a design inference is not triggered because the event is not highly improbable. But if we see both, as in Mount Rushmore or a message drawn in the sand, we infer design. Specified complexity is a rigorous way to show this feature of designed objects.

The famed fine-tuning argument is a special case of specified complexity. Two things are required: a very low probability and a specification. In the fine-tuning argument, the low probabilities of the various natural constants are combined with the specification of a natural world that supports complex life. Luke Barnes has shown how the range of possible values compared to the range of values which are life permitting can be calculated.[9] The improbability of all these constants fitting into those ranges, especially in combination, is more than astronomical. “Universe supporting complex life” constitutes the short description required for a specification. Extremely high complexity (low probability) corresponds to a short description (specification), and we are justified in inferring design.

The same fine-tuning argument can also be applied to biology.[10] In fact, complexity calculations, as already shown above, are much easier in the context of DNA and the genetic code. They are even more straightforward in the case of protein sequences. In the case of specifications, proteins are also quite straightforward, as most of them already have short descriptions in the existing scientific literature that usually are a succinct description of their function. Naturally occurring proteins almost all have high specified complexity and result in a design inference according to this formulation of the information argument. There are some exceptions which generally prove the rule due to either their short sequence length, low specificity of function, or both, such as the ice-fish anti-freeze proteins which are best explained as the result of random mutations.[11]

Various objections have been raised to this general argument, but they usually fall into two categories. They both claim that Dembski’s theory is wrong and that natural, that is, non-designed processes can generate complex specified information. One way of trying to show this is through the use of computer models called “evolutionary” or “genetic” algorithms. Programs like Ev and Avida were claimed to have created exactly this sort of complex specified information through evolution-like processes programmed into the algorithm involving random variations acted on by a simulation of natural selection. Dembski, Robert Marks II, and Winston Ewert over several years published a series of papers showing how these programs all cheated by including what they called “active information” into the program ensuring that it would succeed.[12] Active information is information added by the programmers or designers of the program that made it look like it was being generated by these simulated evolutionary computations. In this same research, they proposed the Law of Conservation of Information.[13] Essentially, this says that any information output of such an algorithm must be equal to or lesser than the information input. Dembski and Ewert are working on a forthcoming book on all of this research.[14]

Complex Specified Information in Biology  

Another class of objections appeal to work in biochemistry rather than computer simulations that shows evolutionary or biochemically simulated evolutionary processes creating complex specified information. By the early 2000s, most of these types of objections were not much more than hand-waving or anecdotal. But then a biochemist named Douglas Axe published a series of papers culminating in hard evidence that the number of stable, functional protein folds is extremely rare in the protein sequence space. This is similar to Luke Barnes showing how rare the values for the fine-tuned constants are in the possible range of values. Both show that the actual values and sequences we have are extremely rare, thus exhibiting extremely high complexity. Axe was even kicked out of his lab just prior to completing his research for apparently ideological reasons.[15] He was able to publish his final paper showing that the rarity of a stable, functional folding domain for a protein called TEM-1, a commonly used beta-lactamase enzyme, was between 10^-64 and 10^-77.[16] This immediately suggested that functional protein folding domains are designed by an intelligence. Axe also calculated that any stable, functional protein fold of sequence length 153, the same length as the folding domain he studied, would have a probability in the sequence space of 10^-74.

Several objections were raised over the years since 2004. Some had technical objections, but none have been published. Axe has publicly stated that one was submitted for publication which he reviewed and subsequently was not published.[17] Other objections claimed that another way of doing the experiment gives a different result, namely a much larger probability for stable functional protein folding domains on the order of 10^-11 to 10^-12. Dembski and Ewert mentioned such examples and argued that the function in question is common enough that design is not indicated in such cases.[18] But a more direct answer to this objection is that these studies were in vitro, not in vivo. Axe’s study was done inside a real living organism, and these other studies were done in test tubes. The difference is that in a test tube there are no other biological molecules around to interfere or be interfered with. A protein in a real biological context doesn’t just have to perform its function. It must also avoid performing other functions; that is, it must avoid interactions with other biological molecules that would interfere with their functions or have its own function interfered with. This likely means that the constraints on the proper functioning of proteins in a real biological context are much higher than in a test tube. In other words, it doesn’t matter if a protein can bind ATP in a test tube if it would bind nearly everything inside a real organism, thus killing it. That is why real, naturally occurring proteins require such high specificity. It is not only the function that must happen; it must also exclude all other functions. This objection fails to recognize a key feature of information: excluded possibilities are much more numerous and more important in information measures than the possibility that actually obtains. These in vitro studies generate a large number of random sequences from scratch and test for bare function. Most of them are not naturally occurring and were not tested in a real organism.

In 2006, Dan Tawfik’s lab published a study[19] which generalized and confirmed Axe’s number of 10^-74. Tawfik studied ten proteins of different types and found that two out of every three random mutations reduced the thermodynamic stability of their folds by 1 kcal/mol or more. Since Axe’s version of TEM-1 was barely stable, this means that in this context any such mutation would likely have destabilized the fold. Since two in three mutations destroy the fold and therefore the function resulting from the fold, it is a simple matter to calculate the number of sequences which would likely work versus not. The number of amino acids that would work at each position is 1/3, and if the sequence is 153 amino acids long, simply take the number of characters that work to the power of the number of positions in the sequence, just as we did for DNA above: (1/3)^153 = 10^-73.[20] This is within a single order of magnitude of Axe’s calculation, confirming Axe’s result.

Intelligence is the Best Explanation for Complex Specified Information   

But why does specified complexity indicate intelligent design? This is a more philosophical question that was taken up by Stephen Meyer.[21] Meyer takes Dembski’s and Axe’s work, along with others, and puts the finishing touches on it. Meyer studied the philosophy of science of Charles Darwin and one of his major influences, geologist Charles Lyell.[22] Meyer notes that Lyell argued that historical science, the science of understanding natural history and origins,[23]  should utilize causes now in operation to explain past events. Meyer simply asked the question, “What is the cause now in operation that explains complex, specified information?” He argues this cause is intelligence, and so we can infer intelligent cause for complex, specified information by the same rules that Lyell, Darwin, and the historical sciences generally use.

Scientific inferences today are understood as inferences to the best explanation, which is technically called an abductive argument.[24] Abductive inferences, or inferences to the best explanation, cannot rule out all other possible explanations. All they can do is compare competing explanations to see which one is better. In order to do this, scientists weigh competing hypotheses and try to test them against each other to see which one survives the tests. Meyer argues that intelligent design is the best explanation for information in precisely this way and therefore follows the rules of scientific inference and succeeds as the best explanation for complex, specified information.[25]

The argument from information is thus well supported both scientifically and philosophically in two major examples: the physical constants according to fundamental physics and the information in DNA, both required for life to exist. This argument persuaded the famous atheist philosopher Antony Flew to admit that God exists[26] and has been mentioned by many prominent atheists as being the most compelling argument for theism. The current argument from information is different and stronger than past versions of the design argument. It has identified the rigorous logical, mathematical, and philosophical basis of the intuitive design inference we all use every day. This argument has been applied to artifacts in nature which could not have been designed by human beings, some of which could only have been created by a supernatural intelligence simply because no natural intelligences could have been around at the time.  It is one of if not the best current argument for the existence of God.

References:

[1] [Editor’s note: Teleology refers to “goal-directedness”, especially in terms of “design” and “intelligent design.” If an item shows signs of teleology that means it looks to be designed by some intelligence to serve a purpose. If teleology were to be found in natural objects like animals, plants, rocks, and rivers, then that would suggest an intelligent designer of those things. If it’s found crafted objects like buildings and books, that suggests man-made design to serve whatever purpose the craftsman intended. The “Teleological Argument for God” is also called the “Design Argument for God.”]

[2] William A. Dembski, Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1999), 154.

[3] William A. Dembski, The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2004), 135.

[4] William A. Dembski, No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot be Purchased Without Intelligence (Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2002), 59-62.

[5] William A. Dembski and Winston Ewert, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities, 2nd ed. (Seattle: Discovery Institute Press, 2023), 151-152.

[6] Ibid., 348.

[7] Ibid., 427.

[8] William A. Dembski, The Design Revolution: Answering the Toughest Questions about Intelligent Design (Downer’s Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2004), 81-82.

[9] Luke Barnes, “A Reasonable Little Question: A Formulation of the Fine-Tuning Argument,” Ergo 6, no. 42 (2019-2020). https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ergo/12405314.0006.042/–reasonable-little-question-a-formulation-of-the-fine-tuning?rgn=main;view=fulltext (accessed December 10, 2024).

[10] Steinar Thorvaldsen and Ola Hossjer, “Using statistical methods to model the fine-tuning of molecular machines and systems,” Journal of Theoretical Biology 501, (Septermber 2020). https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519320302071 (accessed December 10, 2024).

[11] Abirami Baskaran et al. “Anti freeze proteins (Afp): Properties, sources and applications – A review,” International Journal of Biological Molecules 189 (31 October, 2021): 292-305.

[12] William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “The Search for a Search: Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search,” Journal of Advanced Computational Intelligence and Intelligent Informatics 14, no. 5 (2010): 475-486.https://evoinfo.org/publications/search-for-a-search.html (accessed December 10, 2024).

[13] William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, “LIFE’S CONSERVATION LAW: Why Darwinian Evolution Cannot Create Biological Information,” in The Nature of Nature, ed. Bruce Gordon and William Dembski (Wilmington, Del.: ISI Books, 2009), 381.

[14] William A. Dembski and Winston Ewert, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities, 2nd ed. (Seattle: Discovery Institute Press, 2023), 472.

[15] Douglas Axe, Undeniable: How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Designed (n.p.: HarperOne, 2016), 49-51.

[16] Douglas D. Axe, “Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds,” Journal of Molecular Biology 341, no. 5 (August 2004): 1295-1315. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022283604007624 (accessed December 10, 2024).

[17] Sean McDowell. The Debate over Evolution and Intelligent Design (w/ Doug Axe). https://youtu.be/YGggxHBqPRc?t=1557 (accessed July 3, 2025)

[18] William A. Dembski and Winston Ewert, The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance through Small Probabilities, 2nd ed. (Seattle: Discovery Institute Press, 2023), 427.

[19] Shimon Bershtein et al. “Robustness – epistasis link shapes the fitness landscape of a randomly drifting protein,” Nature 444 (2006): 929-932.

[20] Brian Miller, “A Dentist in the Sahara: Doug Axe on the Rarity of Proteins Is Decisively Confirmed,” Evolutionnews.org, February 18, 2019. https://evolutionnews.org/2019/02/a-dentist-in-the-sahara-doug-axe-on-the-rarity-of-proteins-is-decisively-confirmed/ (accessed December 10, 2024).

[21] Stephen C. Meyer, “The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories,” Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 117, no. 2 (2004): 213-239. https://www.discovery.org/a/2177/ (accessed December 10, 2024).

[22] Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design (n.p.: HarperOne, 2009), 160.

[23] Ibid., 409.

[24] Ibid., 152-154.

[25] Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design (n.p.: HarperOne, 2009), 347-348.

[26] Antony Flew, How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind (n.p.: HarperOne, 2008)

Recommended Resources: 

Why Science Needs God by Dr. Frank Turek (DVD and Mp4)

Science Doesn’t Say Anything, Scientists Do by Dr. Frank Turek (DVD, Mp3, and Mp4)

Oh, Why Didn’t I Say That? Does Science Disprove God? by Dr. Frank Turek (DVD and Mp4)

Stealing From God by Dr. Frank Turek (Book, 10-Part DVD Set, STUDENT Study Guide, TEACHER Study Guide)

 


Ben Kissling grew up in Lincoln, Nebraska and currently resides in Dallas, Texas. He has a B.S. in biochemistry from the University of Nebraska and is currently enrolled in the M.A. in Science and Religion program at Biola University. He has worked in many different laboratories, as a youth pastor and a high school teacher, but origins science is his lifelong passion.
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Dan McClellan, a Biblical scholar with a specialty in the Hebrew Bible, and popular social media content creator, recently responded to a clip of my friend and colleague, Wesley Huff, on undesigned coincidences as a marker of historicity in the gospel accounts. Wesley Huff subsequently posted a statement on his community page on YouTube, linking to my previous response to John Nelson, which deals with many of the same concerns raised by McClellan. This prompted McClellan to publish another video offering a rebuttal to my engagement with Nelson’s (and by extension his) concerns in my essay. I do not know why the critics of undesigned coincidences always seem to want to engage with those examples pertaining to the feeding of the five thousand. Literally every critical treatment of the topic thus far has focused on those. There are plenty of other undesigned coincidences, both between the gospels and between Acts and Paul’s letters, many of which are stronger than those examples. Nevertheless, here I offer a reply to McClellan’s video engagement with my article.

Some General Observations 

Before turning to the specific points raised by McClellan, I will offer some general observations. One of the most powerful tools in persuasion, irrespective of the credibility of what you are saying, is confidence. Assertions delivered with certainty and rhetorical force can often sound very convincing to an untrained audience. For the uninitiated, confidence is very easily, and subconsciously, taken as a proxy for competence. If something is stated with enough conviction and firmness, it can feel well supported, even if someone specializing in the relevant subject-matter would immediately detect major problems with the arguments being delivered. Such is the case with Dan McClellan. To the trained ear, McClellan’s content reveals him to be out of his depth when dealing with the field of New Testament studies. Nonetheless, he delivers his comments with such assertiveness that his audience often assumes that he knows what he is talking about. They thus do not carefully examine McClellan’s statements through a critical lens. Put less kindly, McClellan gets a free pass to talk nonsense.

One major red flag that would have been immediately evident to anyone acquainted with the field is McClellan’s insinuation that Michael Alter’s book, The Hypothesis of Undesigned Coincidences (2024) is a serious scholarly engagement with the topic. Anyone familiar with Michael Alter’s previous work up to and including this volume knows that he is more of a crank than a scholar. To his credit, McClellan has since corrected his prior claim that Alter’s book was a peer-reviewed publication. But nonetheless his recommendation of Michael Alter as being a scholar worthy of serious engagement reveals that he is out of his depth on the field of New Testament. Another serious error was his statement that John Nelson is a “Christian apologist” (he has since corrected himself on this as well).

McClellan is also hypocritical. He accuses Wesley Huff of being condescending towards him and insinuating that he is incompetent while he does the exact same thing towards me. Moreover, he shows great concern for who has what academic credentials when it comes to his critics such as myself or Lydia McGrew, but then appeals to someone like Michael Alter, who has none of the credentials McClellan demands of his critics. Indeed, before his retirement, Alter was a public school teacher in Miami, Florida, where he taught social studies, biology, and physical education. Now, I am not someone who cares what degrees someone has or does not have. I only bring this up to underscore the hypocrisy of McClellan’s approach.

McClellan also attacks my scientific reputation, making a sweeping claim that my “approach to biology is profoundly misguided.” McClellan gives no specific examples of what he has in mind, nor does he even refer to specific scientists who have engaged with my work. This is highly disingenuous as, without specifics, there is no way for me to defend myself against this attack on my professional reputation. Moreover, he makes a grossly false claim about me when he asserts that I have “explicitly in debates said, ‘Yes, I’m presupposing this, that, and the other,’” and that I do “not seem concerned for the dogmas that [I am] just arbitrarily asserting.” I literally have no idea what he is referring to here. I am well established as a card-carrying evidentialist, who disdains presuppositionalism. I challenge McClellan to cite one example of those debates in which I allegedly say, “I’m presupposing this, that, and the other.” Of course, he won’t since no such examples exist. I seek to establish my conclusions with facts and evidence. McClellan may disagree with my evaluation of the data, and that is fine. But let us not misconstrue what my positions and arguments are.

Finally, I will note that I agree with McClellan, over Huff, that there is presently no detailed treatment in the academic literature (by which I mean the peer-reviewed literature) of the subject of undesigned coincidences, either favorable to or critical of, the argument. This I regard as a deficit of the scholarly literature rather than of the argument itself, but nonetheless that is the current state of play. Perhaps I or others will correct this in the future. There are, however, scholars who utilize the argument in their academic publications, though it is incidental to their own work. Luuk van de Weghe is a recent example.[i] Van de Weghe’s book, Living Footnotes in the Gospel of Luke even contains a chapter in which he documents for comparison instances of undesigned coincidences between eyewitness accounts of Anne Frank’s imprisonment in Auschwitz (see especially pages 166-167).

Does Lydia McGrew Set Aside the Apparatus of Critical Scholarship?       

Now, let us turn to the actual substance of McClellan’s critique. McClellan makes a false claim regarding Lydia McGrew’s book, Hidden in Plain View (2017). McClellan claims that McGrew explicitly says that she has no interest in engaging with critical scholarship. Here is the relevant quote in context:

I am suggesting that the reader consider the question of the historical reliability of the Gospels and Acts from a new angle. Instead of getting involved in the specifics of alleged contradictions and proposed resolutions to them (not a bad enterprise in itself), instead of tackling these books from the perspectives of source and redaction criticism with the assumption that they represent multiple redactors, layers, and “developments,” instead of thinking and speaking of Jesus or Paul as if they are literary characters in fictional works, I suggest that the reader take seriously the hypothesis that they are what they appear to be prima facie and what they were traditionally taken by Christians to be—historical memoirs of real people and events, written by those in a position to know about these people and events, either direct eyewitnesses or friends and associates of eyewitnesses, who were trying to be truthful. I suggest that we take this hypothesis for a test drive while setting aside the apparatus of critical scholarship. Suppose that these were such memoirs. What might they look like? How does the occurrence of coincidences that appear casual and unrehearsed between and among these documents support that hypothesis? When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I suggest that we expand our toolkit.

When read in context, McGrew’s intended meaning becomes apparent. She does not want to get distracted from the book’s thesis by being sidetracked onto discussions of such things as alleged contradictions in the gospels and proposed harmonizations (she covers this in fact in her more recent book, The Mirror or the Mask: Liberating the Gospels from Literary Devices). Similarly, she doesn’t want to devote a portion of her book to having to deal with various scholarly perspectives on source and redaction criticism. Rather, McGrew chooses in her book to unabashedly appeal directly to the common-sensical reader by looking at the accounts in the gospels and Acts, and asking the sorts of questions given at the end of the paragraph quoted above. In her book, McGrew was trying to appeal to a particular audience–one capable of seeing the direct appeal of undesigned coincidences. For that purpose, and for the length of the book, taking a significant detour to discuss all of those theories (which are addressed in plenty of other books) would bog down the argument. Hidden in Plain View is also intended to be a popular-level book, not an academic treatment.

One may add, however, that the book does show awareness of theories such as the two-source-hypothesis, etc, and has various comments along the way that show how undesigned coincidences open up new avenues of approaching the synoptic puzzle. Thus, the book is by no means uninformed about contemporary scholarship. McGrew has also discussed these subjects in more detail elsewhere.

Elisha’s Feeding of the One Hundred  

McClellan sees a parallel between Jesus’ feeding of the five thousand and Elisha’s feeding of the one hundred in 2 Kings 4:42-44. I agree that there are striking parallels between the two accounts. In my previous essay, I pointed out that the mere fact that there exists parallel features of the accounts does not imply that Jesus’ feeding of the five thousand is fictitious, particularly since, as I have argued, there are strong reasons to think the accounts are historical. A plausible alternative interpretation of the parallel features is that Jesus himself purposed to present himself as a prophet greater than Elisha, and therefore intentionally performed a similar, though much greater, miracle, in the anticipation that those observing the sign would notice the parallels and recognize Jesus as being greater than the prophets of old. The evangelists then highlighted parallel features in order to draw the attention of their readers to them.

McClellan dismisses this scenario as “a pretty silly argument” that would “get you laughed out of an academic conference.” McClellan provides no explanation as to why he considers this explanation to be so implausible. He merely asserts it without argument. I asked a couple of other scholars if they could understand McClellan’s dismissal of this approach, and neither were able to.

Crowds at Passover   

McClellan maintains that the “coming and going” crowds in Mark 6:31 were present because of Jesus, rather than for some broader reason. I do not dispute that the crowds were likely interacting with Jesus; indeed, this best explains why Jesus and his disciples had no leisure even to eat, a point that coheres well with the similar language about Jesus and the disciples not being able to eat in Mark 3:20, as McClellan rightly observes. Nevertheless, as I argued in my previous essay, it does not seem to me the most probable reading that the crowds were present primarily because of Jesus. If that were the case, Jesus’ suggestion that they withdraw to a deserted place makes little sense.

Any adequate account must explain both (1) the statement that people “recognized” (ἐπέγνωσαν) Jesus (Mk 6:33) and (2) the persistent problem of crowds “coming and going,” such that Jesus and his disciples lacked even basic leisure (Mk 6:31). McClellan is correct to infer that Jesus was interacting with the crowds, but this does not entail that Jesus was the sole—or even primary—reason for their presence. Peter J. Williams notes, “In Mark, the fact that Jesus moved locations indicates that it was not a mere increase in traffic for a few hours, but a more prolonged increase in movement of people such as normally occurred only at the time of festivals.”[ii]

It seems most likely to me that this scene took place in Capernaum during a period when the town experienced an influx of transient crowds. At the same time, local residents could readily direct visitors to the location where Jesus was known to stay, resulting in sustained interaction with him. On this reading, the crowd pressure arises from the convergence of increased regional movement and Jesus’ recognizable presence in a known location. This accounts for why Jesus was engaged by the crowds and makes sense of the decision to withdraw by boat rather than simply retreat indoors.

The Green Grass

In my previous essay, I argued that the claim that Mark, in referring to the green grass (Mk 6:39), intended an allusion to Psalm 23, is bad historical methodology, since one could literally identify a symbolic reason for any alternative detail (I gave some proposals for symbolic interpretations of the counterfactual where Mark had stated that the people sat down on the brown grass).

McClellan responds,

Now I think a good reason to draw this conclusion is because otherwise the detail plays no role in the narrative and plays no role in a literary sense. Why mention that the grass was green? John doesn’t even mention the grass is green. Why would Mark mention it’s green if there’s not some kind of connection being intentionally made? You don’t just say, ‘Oh, there’s green grass,’ when you’re writing down a narrative, even if the grass was green. It’s a pointless thing to highlight, unless you’re trying to create a literary allusion to something, which the overwhelming majority of scholars agree is what is going on when it comes to Mark’s reference to the green grass.

 

McClellan’s objection presumes that people telling the truth never mention irrelevant or unnecessary details, whereas in point of fact, they do this all the time – including elsewhere throughout the gospels and Acts. Furthermore, as noted in my previous article, giving an explanation for one side of the undesigned coincidence does not explain how it fits together, in an apparently incidental manner, with the other source. Thus, McClellan’s connection of the allusion to the green grass in Mark 6:39 does not account for its dovetailing with the reference to the Passover being at hand in John 6:4.

McClellan responds to this latter point by stating,

So it doesn’t fit together with John. This is begging the question. You have to already presuppose that the argument is true for Mark to fit together so well with John…If you’re taking John’s reference to this being near Passover as fitting well with Mark, you’re already presupposing that your argument is correct because nothing in Mark indicates that this is near Passover.

McClellan merely asserts this without providing any explanation as to why he does not think the allusion to the green grass in Mark 6:39 fits well with the Passover being at hand, as indicated by John 6:4. Moreover, his claim that the argument begs the question suggests to me that he does not understand the principle of inference to the best explanation. McClellan’s objection is akin to saying that deer tracks in the woods do not fit with deer unless you’re begging the question and already assuming there are deer in the woods. The whole point of the undesigned coincidence is that Mark does not explicitly indicate that the Passover was at hand. But his casual mention that the grass was green fits well with the time of year on which the Passover fell (around March time), a detail supplied uniquely by John. This is best explained on the hypothesis of the mutual historicity of John’s and Mark’s accounts.

McClellan also makes another ill-founded claim. He asserts, “the synoptic gospels only have Jesus running a roughly one-year ministry that culminates in the Passover. Only John has a multiple year ministry where you can have a Passover in the middle of the story.” While the synoptics only explicitly mention a single Passover, it is a very weak argument from silence to say that the Synoptics thereby represent Jesus as having had a single year ministry. Moreover, as James Hastings et al. explain,

Indications of a ministry of more than a single year are found in the Synoptics; e.g. Mk 2:23 (harvest) 6:39 (spring; ‘green grass’), for the length of the journeys of 6:56–10:32 shows that the spring of 6:39 could not be that of the Crucifixion. Thus Mk. implies at least a two years’ ministry. In Lk. also we see traces of three periods in the ministry: (1) 3:21–4:30, preaching in the wilderness of Judæa and in Nazareth and Galilee, briefly recorded; (2) 4:31–9:50, preaching in Galilee and the North, related at length; (3) 9:51-end, preaching in Central Palestine as far as Jerusalem. Ramsay (op. cit. p. 212) takes each of these periods as corresponding roughly to one year.[iii]

Thus, contra McClellan, even from the synoptic gospels there is reason to think that Jesus’ ministry spanned more than one year.

Contradictions?

The Location  
McClellan asserts that Mark contradicts Luke on the location of the event, since, while Luke indicates that the feeding of the five thousand took place in Bethsaida, Mark says that, following the event, Jesus directed the disciples to head in a boat in the direction of Bethsaida. McClellan, however, fails to inform his viewers of my detailed discussion of this in my article, to which he is supposed to be responding. Since McClellan failed to engage (or even take note of) my previous discussion, I will repeat here what I wrote there. Readers should refer to the map below when reading the discussion that follows.

There is, in fact, evidence that is internal to Mark’s gospel itself that suggest the feeding of the five thousand took place on the northeast side of the Sea of Galilee (as opposed to the northwest side). Mark indicates that the disciples did not even have leisure to eat before the feeding, because there were “many coming and going” (Mark 6:31), and that they got into the boat to get away from the crowds. This fits well with the indication in John 6:4 that the feast of Passover was at hand (in particular, if Jesus and the disciples were in or near Capernaum, which was a major center). If they departed Capernaum by boat, it is not implausible that they ended up in the vicinity of Bethsaida (going along the top of the Sea of Galilee), which is what is indicated by Luke 9:10. Mark, in fact, explicitly says that they landed at Gennesaret when they had crossed over (Mark 6:53)! Gennesaret is geographically very close to Capernaum. Thus, this actually, far from contradicting, confirms the idea of which direction they were going. If they were really crossing over “to Bethsaida” as if to land at or near Bethsaida, they could not have landed at Gennesaret (see the map above)! Moreover, as Cyndi Parker observes, “Matthew and Mark both state that the disciples struggled to reach their destination because the wind was against them (Matt 14:24; Mark 6:48). Since weather systems typically come from the Mediterranean Sea, the fierce wind causing the terrifying storm was likely coming from the west. This small detail suggests the disciples were traveling from the eastern side of the Sea of Galilee to the western side, further supporting the suggestion that the miracle took place in Gaulanitis. . .” (Bethsaida is in the province of Gaulanitis, east of the Jordan River).[iv]

In view of these considerations, the language of Mark 6:45 must be interpreted within the context of these indicators. I discussed this in my previous article, but McClellan fails to engage with these observations at all.

The Shore or a Mountain?     
McClellan asserts that, whereas in John, Jesus sees the crowd when he has gone up onto a mountain (Jn 6:3-5), whereas in Mark, Jesus sees the crowd upon going ashore (Mk 6:34) and in fact Mark makes no reference to Jesus and the disciples going up a mountain, though Mark does allude to Jesus later going up the mountain to pray after having sent the disciples away in a boat (Mk 6:46). Once again, McClellan fails to engage with my discussion of this in the essay to which he is supposed to be responding. As I pointed out previously, the three synoptic gospels indicate that Jesus interacted with the crowd prior to the feeding miracle. Indeed, Mark, speaking of the crowd that had followed Jesus, says that Jesus “had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd. And he began to teach them many things” (Mk 6:34). In Matthew’s account, we read that “he had compassion on them and healed their sick” (Mt 14:14). In Luke, it mentions both that Jesus “spoke to them of the kingdom of God” and that he “cured those who had need of healing” (Lk 9:11). Thus, we are to picture Jesus having been with the crowd for some time prior to the feeding event. In the synoptics, we are told that when it was getting late, they discussed where to find food for the crowd of people. John, however, does not mention the earlier part of the day. It seems, then, that the crowds converged on him while He had slipped away with His disciples. John’s emphasis, though, is on the feeding through the miraculous multiplication of loaves and fish. The accounts, therefore, in fact fit together quite well.

Narrative Incongruity?           
McClellan claims that there exists narrative incongruity in the account in Luke, since, though the feeding of the five thousand is set in Bethsaida according to Luke 9:10, the twelve say to Jesus, “Send the crowd away to go into the surrounding villages and countryside to find lodging and get provisions, for we are here in an desolate place.” As I argued in my previous article, the stated location of Bethsaida is very likely being used in a regional sense (in like-manner to how someone might say they live in a major city while technically living in a suburb of that city). This is the most natural way of reading Luke’s account. McClellan responds to this by stating, “We have no evidence for this. This is just an assertion that makes sense of our demand to have them all harmonized.” McClellan however fails to inform his viewers of any of the points I raised in support of the plausibility of this reading. As I noted previously, are we really to envision Luke becoming fatigued and forgetting what he just wrote two verses earlier? This is an extremely uncharitable way of reading Luke.

It must also be borne in mind that we are talking about a crowd of five thousand men, besides women and children (Mt 14:21) here. It is not at all obvious, therefore, that such a crowd, if it were in or nearby the city, would not need to go to the surrounding villages and countryside to find food, particularly given that the day was drawing to a close (Lk 9:12).

Why would Luke change the location?          
In my previous essay, I had noted that the redaction critics never provide any explanation as to why Luke would have intentionally changed the location of the event to Bethsaida. McClellan postulates a frankly bizarre explanation that Matthew invented Jesus’ pronouncement of the woes over Bethsaida (Mt 11:21) on the basis of the healing of the blind man in Bethsaida in Mark’s gospel (Mk 8:22-26). Then Luke deliberately moved the feeding of the five thousand event to Bethsaida on the basis of the woes in Matthew. There is no way to describe this proposal other than preposterous. First, Jesus tells the blind man in Mark 8:26, “Do not even enter the village,” which aligns well with Jesus’ habit of instructing people not to publicize his miracles or his Messianic identity. So, it seems unlikely that this miracle is the basis of Jesus’ pronouncement of the woes over Bethsaida for not believing in spite of the “mighty works” performed there (Mt 11:21). Second, if Matthew invented pronouncement on the basis of this miracle from Bethsaida, why also include the city of Chorazin (which actually is mentioned prior to Bethsaida) in the pronouncement? None of the gospels mention Jesus performing miracles in Chorazin. Third, the reference to Bethsaida in Luke 9:10 is very incidental. Luke does not make an explicit connection between the feeding of the five thousand and the pronouncement of the woes (which are given in Luke 10:13). Luke might also be expected, on this hypothesis, to locate a public miracle in Chorazin in addition to Bethsaida, though he does not do so.

Confusion About Independence

One of the most bizarre claims made by McClellan is that “The stronger your case for independence gets, the less strong your case for historicity gets.” It is difficult to overstate how absurd this statement is. Independent attestation makes an historical event more plausible, not less. In what possible Universe is having more independence damaging to a case for historicity?

McClellan continues,

And like McGrew, McLatchie would like you to believe that contradictions only prove the account is historical because it means they are not colluding. And this is one of the things that I pointed out that nobody seems to be willing to address. Nobody thinks that the gospel authors all sat down in a room together and colluded on hammering out their narratives. They were literarily dependent on other narratives as sources, but they changed them as they pleased in order to serve their own interests and their own rhetorical goals. So they’re all already independent. We know that they are relying to differing degrees on earlier accounts, but that is not collusion, and that is not a lack of independence. So, pointing out that discrepancies prove their independence only serves the critical perspective. It does not mean that therefore everything is historical.

I agree that nobody believes this, nor did I allege that anyone did. So, if there is any straw-manning going on, it is on the part of McClellan. By independence, I mean to say that the evangelists are not wholly dependent upon each other. In other words, they had independent access to the facts. This is evidenced in part by the discrepancies that exist between the accounts. These discrepancies can be quite plausibly harmonized (as discussed previously), but they indicate that the authors are not simply copying, and deriving details from, each other’s account. McClellan wants to say that the evangelists purposefully redacted each other’s work. But these discrepancies concern details about which there is no plausible motive for changing the other account(s). For what motive could there be for Luke to intentionally change the location of the event to Bethsaida? Or for John to change the place where Jesus first saw the crowd when he had gone up a mountain? Or for John to change the apparent sequence in which Jesus went up on a mountain by himself and sent the disciples away in a boat? Other differences in the account that point to factual independence include:

Only John mentions the boy, and that they were barley loaves (Jn 6:9), which fits with the time of year, being near the Passover.

  • Only John mentions that it was Andrew who brought the boy forward (Jn 6:8).
  • Only John mentions the other name of the Sea of Galilee (the Sea of Tiberius), a name that we can confirm from other sources (Jn 6:1).
  • Only John records how far the disciples had rowed when they saw Jesus coming towards him, which is given as an imprecise measurement of twenty-five or thirty stadia, or about three or four miles (Jn 6:19).
  • Matthew and Luke both mention that Jesus healed people (Mt 14:14; Lk 6:11), a detail not supplied by Mark.
  • Only Mark mentions that the disciples landed at Gennesaret (Mk 6:53). This fits with the account in John, which says that they set off for Capernaum (Jn 6:17).

McClellan also appears to be ignorant of how independence and dependence are not binary categories. A source can have obtained some details from another while also having their own access to the facts that is independent of the source on which they are reliant for other details. Generally when critics refer to the synoptic puzzle (or even Johannine familiarity with the synoptic gospels) in order to hand wave away undesigned coincidences between the gospels, they have failed to understand this important nuance.

The Ur-Source Theory           

Towards the end of his response to me, McClellan returns to a point that he had emphasized in his previous video engaging with Wesley Huff. He asserts that,

Even if we do accept these arguments for undesigned coincidences, all it means is that they were relying on a single pre-existing tradition of some kind, whether oral tradition or some kind of written text. That’s all it means. You cannot get from undesigned coincidences to these all happened exactly as the text states without just inserting dogmas and arguing from assertion and just arbitrarily insisting well this is what must have happened.

The argument is normally articulated in terms of the oral tradition that many scholars believe lies behind the gospel accounts (although this in principle could be written sources alternatively). The objection is that undesigned coincidences could be just as well explained by the gospel authors incompletely remembering the oral tradition, or incompletely copying from a common ur-source that contained both parts of the coincidence. However, there is no independent evidence for such an ur-source, either in terms of documentary evidence or written testimony to its existence. It is therefore ad hoc — that is, invoked simply for the purpose of avoiding the most obvious explanation that the gospel documents are grounded in true history. The oral tradition alternative has its own problems (which also applies to the ur-source hypothesis) which I will now discuss.

For one thing, there is no evidence for the type of oral tradition of gospel stories that would be needed to adequately explain most undesigned coincidences. Consider the example relating to the involvement of Philip in the account of the feeding of the five thousand in John 6:5, which is explained by Philip’s hometown being in Bethsaida (John 12:21) and the feeding of the five thousand taking place in Bethsaida (Luke 9:10. It seems very unlikely that Christians, across geographical areas, would have known the hometown of Philip as being in Bethsaida. Indeed, such an assumption would lead us to conclude that virtually any randomly selected adult Christian residing in Pisidian Antioch could have listed the hometowns of Bartholomew, Judas (not Iscariot), and every other member of the twelve. Indeed, on this hypothesis, it appears that one would have to suggest that almost any detailed piece of information contained in the gospels was widely known in the Christian community and widely known extremely early, before the gospels were even written. This seems to me very unlikely.

Michael Bird, in his book The Gospel of the Lord: How the Early Church Wrote the Story of Jesus, puts it like this:

I regard the evidence surveyed as constituting moderate grounds for identifying a conserving force in the transmission of the Jesus tradition, since the gaps in our knowledge are too vast to assert otherwise. At the end of the day most of what is said about the formation of the Jesus tradition is based on a priori assumptions, circumstantial evidence, inference, hypothesis, analogy, conjecture, and sheer guesswork.[v]

A “conserving force” hardly means that everybody knew what town Philip was from already, long before John mentioned it.

Moreover, Luke himself seems to have regarded Theophilus as gaining information from his gospel. Based upon Luke’s introduction itself, we would infer that Theophilus apparently did not already know all of the things found in Luke’s Gospel. Luke wrote it to give him additional information. This also seems to be implied by John 20:30-31.

There are also many undesigned coincidences involving multiple different incidents. An example of this is Luke’s listing of the women who followed Jesus from Galilee, including Chuza the wife of Herod’s household manager (Luke 8:1-3) explaining Matthew’s report of Herod speaking to his servants about Jesus, presumably in the privacy of his own palace, in Matthew 14:1-2. On the ur-source hypothesis, the ur-source would presumably have to include both stories, yet oral stories would typically be stories of a given pericope. If there were multiple circulating traditions containing between them both of the relevant stories, then the undesigned coincidence would still exist between the multiple circulating traditions, and the problem the hypothesis sought to address still remains.

The ur-source hypothesis also fails to explain the coincidence involving John’s mention of Jesus’ approach into Bethany happening six days before Passover, a detail particular to John’s gospel (for the details see my essay here). Notice that Mark 11 telescopes the account such that it is masked that Jesus in fact arrived in Bethany the day before the triumphal entry into Jerusalem and only the morning after sent his disciples to fetch the colt. The passages relevant to the coincidence also span a few chapters in Mark (from Mark 11:1 to 14:1). Furthermore, the setting of the Olivet discourse in Mark 13 in the evening is not explicitly stated, but may be inferred from the fact that the mount of olives is midway between Jerusalem (where Jesus had been all day) and Bethany (where Jesus’ accommodation was for the night). Furthermore, there is a minor discrepancy between John and Mark concerning whether the anointing at Bethany took place before (Jn 12:1-8) or after (Mk 14:3-9) the triumphal entry. I believe this is most plausibly a Markan sandwich, a technique used frequently in Mark where one story is interrupted by another and then resumed. But the fact that it appears, at least on first blush, to be a discrepancy between Mark and John is yet further evidence that the narratives are factually independent of one another, nor are they both drawing from a common underlying ur-source. In view of all of the above considerations, the view that this coincidence is explicable by some sort of ur-source theory seems wildly implausible.

I have only given here a few examples in order to illustrate the deficiencies of the ur-source theory as an explanation of undesigned coincidences between the gospels. But similar shortcomings apply across the board.

Of course, such theories are even more wildly implausible when it comes to accounting for undesigned coincidences between Acts and the epistles of Paul. Lydia McGrew has herself addressed the ur-source explanation here and here.

Conclusion

As with previous critics of the argument from undesigned coincidences, Dan McClellan’s engagement ultimately has the effect of once again underscoring the argument’s robustness rather than undermining it. In my opinion, it would be more productive for the purpose of moving the conversation forward if critics were to turn their attention to other instances of undesigned coincidences, especially those between Acts and Paul’s epistles, rather than repeatedly revisiting the feeding of the five thousand, a case that has by now been discussed quite exhaustively.

References:

[i] Luuk van de Weghe, Living Footnotes in the Gospel of Luke: Luke’s Reliance on Eyewitness Sources (Pickwick Publications, an imprint of Wipf and Stock Publishers), Kindle Edition.

[ii] Peter J. Williams, Can We Trust the Gospels? (Wheaton, IL: Crossway, 2018), 92.

[iii] James Hastings et al.Dictionary of the Bible (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1909), 134.

[iv] Cyndi Parker, “Crossing to ‘The Other Side’ of the Sea of Galilee,” in Lexham Geographic Commentary on the Gospels, ed. Barry J. Beitzel and Kristopher A. Lyle, Lexham Geographic Commentary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016), 162.

[v] Michael F. Bird, The Gospel of the Lord: How the Early Church Wrote the Story of Jesus (Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 2014), 66–67.

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Why We Know the New Testament Writers Told the Truth by Frank Turek (mp4 Download)

Early Evidence for the Resurrection by Dr. Gary Habermas (DVD), (Mp3) and (Mp4)

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Dr. Jonathan McLatchie is a Christian writer, international speaker, and debater. He holds a Bachelor’s degree (with Honors) in forensic biology, a Masters’s (M.Res) degree in evolutionary biology, a second Master’s degree in medical and molecular bioscience, and a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology. Currently, he is an assistant professor of biology at Sattler College in Boston, Massachusetts. Dr. McLatchie is a contributor to various apologetics websites and is the founder of the Apologetics Academy (Apologetics-Academy.org), a ministry that seeks to equip and train Christians to persuasively defend the faith through regular online webinars, as well as assist Christians who are wrestling with doubts. Dr. McLatchie has participated in more than thirty moderated debates around the world with representatives of atheism, Islam, and other alternative worldview perspectives. He has spoken internationally in Europe, North America, and South Africa promoting an intelligent, reflective, and evidence-based Christian faith.

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[Editor’s Note: in November 2025, at the Evangelical Philosophical Society meeting in Boston Massachusetts, Tim Stratton and Phil Kallberg presented a coauthored essay, “Is Divine Determinism a Different Gospel?”. You can see it here or listen to here. The provocative essay – critiquing a major brand of historic Christian thought: Calvinism – evoked some controversy. Phil responds here to one of the critiques.]

I’m inspired to write this both for the accusations of “straw manning” that came from Tim’s and my essay at the 2025 EPS, and due to examples that I have seen. While no one accused me of this directly (all the interactions I had with people in relation to the essay were positive, even when they were pushing back), I heard through the grapevine that some people were complaining that Tim and I were straw manning Calvinists and other divine determinists. Additionally, I did see examples of people straw manning Calvinists in response to Tim and my essay. I’m pretty confident that Tim and I didn’t do this, but some other people have. And further “straw manning,” is one of those accusations that gets tossed around pretty liberally these days so this whole thing will be instructive and useful elsewhere. So let me explain.

What is the Straw Man Fallacy?       


The straw man fallacy is when you deliberately misrepresent your opponent’s position to make it easier to argue against. It’s why from time to time you hear internet atheists complain that people believe in the “sky daddy” instead of critiquing the Kalam Cosmological argument. If you want some good non-philosophical examples of this just watch any Democrat and/or Republican talk about the other side. The reason for the name is that it’s obviously easier to attack a man made of straw than it is a real man. Now it’s important to notice what this is not. The straw man fallacy is not when you are ignorant of your opponent’s position and/or just get something wrong. Nor is it when there is a disagreement about what the entailments of that view are, i.e., “I think physicalism and naturalism necessarily lead to an amoral universe.” There are physicalists and naturalists who disagree and argue for a real objective morality. I think they are being inconsistent and will argue as such. They disagree and will argue against me. I’m not “straw manning” them by arguing “this is what follows from your view.” I’m only doing that if I claim that they are moral nihilists. I don’t claim that they are, rather my claim is that they should be moral nihilists or else they are inconsistent.

An Example in Atheism


So, to carry the example further, suppose I’m arguing against an atheist who argues that morality is just an illusion caused by evolutionary adaptation, like the late Micheal Ruse. An atheist who believes in objective morality (they do exist) might want to accuse me of straw manning him as “You claimed atheists don’t believe in morality, but I do.” But this is a misunderstanding of the straw man fallacy. If I’m arguing against Micheal Ruse, and he really did think that (he did), then there is no straw man here. The other atheist is free to disagree with Ruse and then he and I can discuss and argue about what he actually does think, and if a belief in objective morality is a reasonable, plausible, or even a possible outlook on atheism (it is on some variants and not on others). The point here is that if I can cite someone in group B who really does claim X, then it’s not straw manning if I argue against X, even if other people in group B reject X. At that point I should just be happy that those other people in the group have seen the light by rejecting X and they should be happy that they have an ally in arguing against X. At the worst my criticisms just don’t apply to those other people.

Now it is possible (but it’s unlikely) for someone to do the above in a very dishonest way where the error becomes something like straw manning. I could claim that all atheists follow the philosophy of Nietzsche and Marx (I wouldn’t. This is obviously wrong but just go with it for the example). Then I offer critiques of Marx and Nietzsche and claim that I have defeated atheism. An atheist who rejects Marx and Nietzsche would rightly take offense. If I knowingly do this that is straw manning. If I do this out of ignorance (I’m naive enough to think that Marx and Nietzsche are the authority on all things atheism) then that is a problem, but it’s not straw manning. It’s me not knowing what I’m talking about.

An Example from Politics 

Or for a political analogy, I might argue, “You shouldn’t vote for a Democrat as they support trans-surgery for minors and that’s wrong.” It is true that there are Democrats who support this. But not all Democrats do, so if you are one of the Democrats who don’t support such things did I straw man you with that argument? Since I can point to Democrats who do support such things this is not a straw man, but the moment I start claiming that you have that view then it is. It’s still a poor argument as it’s uncareful and doesn’t appreciate the nuance that many Democrats think and support different things, but it’s not a straw man.

And of course, it’s possible for people to make arguments like that in bad faith wherein they attribute minority and/or fringe views of the group to the whole. I suspect if we could ask all the self-described Democrats, “Do you support sex-change operations for 8-year-olds?” the majority of them would say no. So given this, if the above exchange happens, and you tell me, “well I’m a Democrat and I think such things are barbaric” then my response should be something like, “Good I’m glad you are with me on this.” If at that point I insist that since you are a Democrat you must support sex change operations for 8-year-olds, then I am straw manning you (and I’m being an obstinate fool).

So, straw manning is when you deliberately misrepresent someone or something to make it easier to argue against it. It is not when you misrepresent things due to ignorance or a mistake. Nor is it when you have a disagreement about the entailments of the viewpoint. If you make a mistake or speak out of ignorance and are given correction but continue in the initial error, then that becomes straw manning.

What about Calvinism?  

      
So, if you call yourself a Calvinist or some other type of divine determinist and also don’t think that God determines everything then it’s pretty likely that Tim and my criticisms just don’t apply to you. I strongly suspect that if you and I sat down to hash it all out I’d end up claiming that you are, in some way, being inconsistent as it seems to me Calvinism and other variants of divine determinism just naturally lead to the problems that Tim and I point to. But if you reject those problems then I say, “Great!” We agree on that point and I’m happy to have any ally in claiming things like it’s ridiculous to believe that God demonstrates love for people by condemning them to hell (for example). If you and I disagree about what is entailed by your theological and philosophical system and we are both being honest (or at least trying to be) then no one is straw manning anyone. We just have a philosophical or theological disagreement.

This is an area where I saw the “anti-Calvinists” (for lack of a better name) commit this fallacy. A significant amount of them claimed things like Calvinists don’t believe in the Bible. Now this is plainly not what any Calvinist claims. Further it’s the opposite of what every single one that I’ve read and talked to claims. When I attempted to drill down where those “anti-Calvinists” were getting this from it turned out that they thought that the theological system of Calvinism undermines the Scriptures and our ability to know and trust them (this argument sounds awfully familiar). I agree with that critique, but that’s an implication of the view, not the view itself. Hence those “anti-Calvinists” are straw manning Calvinists as they are attributing to them a view that is flatly denied. Now I think that is denied on pain of a contradiction or inconsistency, but we still need to give Calvinists credit for denying the claim that they don’t believe in the Bible. It’s not reasonable, fair, or good practice to do otherwise.

Naturally this has many implications in a lot of other areas as “straw manning” is one of those phrases that just gets constantly thrown around now. And some people do indeed do this in a malicious way. But I’ve found that much of the time people are simply confusing a disagreement about what logically follows from a view with straw manning. For now, I’ll just avoid getting into specific examples of people who do straw man in a malicious way. It’s not worth the time it would take, as it would probably just alienate people.

So, the point here is if someone is knowingly and maliciously misrepresenting you, that is straw manning. It’s not only a logical fallacy, it’s a moral wrong. But if someone is just ignorant of what you think, genuinely doesn’t understand your view, or disagrees with you on the implications of your view, that’s not straw manning.

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