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A Simple Reason Why The Qur’an Cannot Be The Word of God

Qur'anThe Islamic religion claims that the Qur’an, revealed allegedly by the angel Gabriel to the prophet Muhammad beginning in 610 A.D., is the inspired and inerrant word of God. Such an assertion, however, is highly problematic, and many, many arguments could be given to convincingly refute it. In this article, I am going to offer one of those reasons, which I perceive to be the most damning. In future articles, we will consider some other serious difficulties with the idea that the Qur’an represents the revealed words of God. My argument here can be summarized in syllogistic form as follows:

Premise 1: Either the Bible is the Word of God or it is not.

Premise 2: If the Bible is the Word of God, the Qur’an is not.

Premise 3: If the Bible is not the Word of God, the Qur’an is not.

Conclusion: Therefore, the Qur’an is not the Word of God.

First, a note of qualification. By “the Bible” I refer to the Old and New Testaments as we possess them today and as possessed by Christians at the time of Muhammad in the seventh century. Granted, there are textual variants in the New Testament Greek manuscripts, but the core message of the New Testament remains the same — they are thus immaterial to what I’m attempting to establish here.

Premise 1 need not be defended, since it is self-evident that the two alternatives are mutually exclusive and exhaustive possibilities. Premise 2 is easy to establish, since the Qur’an and the Bible fundamentally contradict one another. The most obvious item of conflict relates to whether Jesus died by crucifixion, denied by the Qur’an (Surah An-Nisa 157-158) but affirmed throughout the New Testament and indeed a cornerstone of New Testament theology. The Qur’an also repeatedly denies the core Biblical concept that Christ is the incarnate eternal Son of God, affirming instead that He is only a messenger or prophet (e.g. Surah Al-Maeda 75). The Qur’an, on multiple occasions, denies the Trinity (e.g. Surah An-Nisa 171; Surah Al-Maeda 73). The Qur’an, of course, repeatedly misrepresents Christian theology on these matters, as I discuss here, but this is immaterial to the issues that concern us here. If, then, the Christian Scriptures are indeed the inspired Word of God, the Muslim Scriptures cannot be, since the Qur’an so fundamentally disagrees with the theology of the Bible.

The Qur’an’s Affirmation of the Christian and Jewish Scriptures

For the Muslim to reject the conclusion of the argument, at least one of the three Premises must also be rejected. As I have shown, Premises 1 and 2 cannot be reasonably denied. What, then, of Premise 3? The Qur’an, over and over again, affirms the Christian Scriptures, claiming consistency with them, and asserting that the Torah and the Gospel (the “Injil”), and also the Psalms, are previous revelations from Allah. Consider, for example, the following verses.

  • Surah Al-E-Imran 3: “He has revealed to you the Book with the truth [i.e. the Qur’an], confirming what has been before it, and has sent down the Torah and the Injil.”
  • Surah An-Nisa 136: “O you who believe, do believe in Allah and His Messenger and in the Book He has revealed to His Messenger and in the Books He has revealed earlier. Whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and the Last Day has indeed gone far astray.”
  • Surah An-Nisa 163: “Surely, We have revealed to you [i.e. Muhammad] as We have revealed to Nuh and to the prophets after him; and We have revealed to Ibrahim, Isma’il, Ishaq, Ya’qub and their children, and to Isa, Ayyub, Yunus, Harun, and Salaiman, and We have given Zabur [i.e. the psalms] to Dawud.”
  • Surah Al-Isra: “Your Lord knows best about all those in the heavens and the earth, and We have certainly granted excellence to some prophets over some others, and We gave Dawud the Zabur (the Psalms). Say, “Call those who you assume (to be gods), besides Him, while they have no power to remove distress from you, nor to change it.”“
  • Surah Al-Anbiya: “And We have written in Zabur (Psalms) after the advice that the land will be inherited by My righteous slaves.”

The Qur’an even goes so far as to assert that the prophet Muhammad is prophesied in both the Old and New Testaments. Consider the following verses.

  • Surah Al-Araf 157: “Those who follow the Messenger, the Ummiyy (unlettered) prophet whom they find written with them in the Torah and the Injil and who bids the what is fair and forbids what is unfair, and makes lawful for the good things, and makes unlawful for the impure things, and relieves them of their burden, and of the shackles that were upon them. So, those who believe in him and support him, and help him and follow the light sent down with him, those are the ones who are successful.”
  • Surah As-Saff 6: Remember when Isa, son of Maryam, said, “O children of Isra’il, I am a messenger of Allah sent towards you, confirming the Torah that is (sent down) before me, and giving you the good news of a messenger who will come after me, whose name will be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with manifest signs, they said, “This is a clear magic.”

One will search in vain, however, to find any mention of Muhammad in any Biblical text. This has left Muslim apologists doing hermeneutic gymnastics to inject Muhammad somewhere into the Bible. All such attempts, however, have proven futile. One such attempt is the claim that the coming prophet like Moses, spoken of in Deuteronomy 18:15-19, is, in fact, Muhammad. Here’s the full text:

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ And the Lord said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.

This argument, like the rest, is fraught with problems. The most damning of those is the context, which limits the word “brothers” of verse 15 and 18 to the Israelites. Verses 1-2 of Deuteronomy 18 clearly reveal who “brothers” refers to:

The Levitical priests, all the tribe of Levi, shall have no portion or inheritance with Israel. They shall eat the Lord’s food offerings as their inheritance. They shall have no inheritance among their brothers; the Lord is their inheritance, as he promised them.

Here, “brothers” can only refer to the Israelites. Since the prophet of verses 15-19 is to come from among the “brothers” of the Israelites, Muhammad is excluded as a contender for its fulfillment.

Another favorite is the Advocate or Helper promised by Jesus to the disciples in John 14 and 16. In John 14:15-16, we read the following words of Jesus:

If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

It is extremely difficult to read Muhammad into this text, since the promised Helper is said to be with Jesus’ followers forever and in them, something not accomplished by Muhammad. The Muslim interpretation also utterly ignores the overall context of the text. Jesus here is speaking to his disciples. If the promise refers to Muhammad, then it was fulfilled six hundred years later. Thus, everything said by Jesus to the disciples would not be relevant to them.

In John 15:26-27, we read more about this coming Helper:

But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with me from the beginning.

Was Muhammad sent by Jesus? Does he proceed from the Father? Moreover, the disciples bearing witness is directly linked to the coming of the promised Helper, and thus the fulfillment of this promise must be found in the disciples to whom the promise was made. John 16:7-14 provides yet further difficulties:

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

This text makes it even more clear that the Helper is sent by Jesus and comes to these specific disciples to whom Jesus is speaking. Muhammad did not come for a further six centuries. We are also told that the Helper will glorify Jesus. Muhammad certainly did not glorify Jesus.

One could proceed to go through all of the passages that Muslims typically cite as alleged prophecies concerning Muhammad. None of them, however, fare any better than these. Indeed, the two I have addressed above are the most often cited texts — the favorites of Muslim apologists.

Confronted with this obvious Qur’anic error about the contents of the Christian Scriptures, Muslim apologists will often attempt to argue that the Christian Scriptures have been corrupted, or that the “Injil” (the Gospel) refers to a special book given only to Jesus (whom the Qur’an calls “Isa”) which has left no record in history. As we shall see, however, neither the historical record, nor the Qur’an, allows for that possibility.

Has the Message of the Injil and Torah Been Corrupted or Lost?

Muslims cannot consistently maintain that the Scriptures delivered previously have been corrupted or lost, since the Qur’an appears to assume that these Scriptures are still with the “people of the book” (Christians and Jews). The case here is strong and the implications difficult to escape. Let’s take a look at some of these texts in the order that they appear in the Qur’an.

  • Surah Al-Baqara 91: “When it is said to them, “Believe in what Allah has revealed,” they say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us” — and they deny what is beyond it, whereas that is the truth which confirms what is with them. Say, “Why then have you been slaying the prophets of Allah earlier, if you were believers?””

This verse contends that the Scriptures previously revealed by Allah (i.e. the Torah and Injil) are “with them” (i.e. the people of the Book) at the time of the writing revealing of the Qur’an in the seventh century. If the Jews and Christians that the Qur’an is addressing didn’t have access to these Scriptures, the verse makes no sense. Here is another example which further illustrates this point:

  • Surah Al-E-Imran 70: “O people of the Book, why do you disbelieve in the verses of Allah while you are yourselves witnesses (to those verses)?”

Again, Christians and Jews are witnesses to the verses revealed in the previous Scriptures. The “you” of this verse clearly refers to the Christians and Jews of Muhammad’s day. Here’s another example from the same chapter:

  • Surah Al-E-Imran 199: “Surely, among the people of the Book there are those who believe in Allah and in what has been sent down to you and what has been sent to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not barter away the verses of Allah for paltry (worldly) gains. They have their reward with their Lord. Surely, Allah is swift at reckoning.”

Notice in the above verse the use of the plural personal pronoun “them”. The revelation from Allah was apparently sent not only to Jesus but to them (meaning, the people of the Book). Why, then, do Muslims frequently claim that the Injil was revealed only to Jesus?

Perhaps the most frequently cited verse in connection with this topic is the following text from the fifth chapter of the Qur’an:

  • Surah Al-Maeda 43-49: “How do they [i.e. the Jews] ask you to judge while the Torah is with them, having the ruling of Allah? Still, they turn away, after all that. They are no believers. Surely We have sent down the Torah, in which there was guidance and light by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, used to judge for the Jews, and (so did) the Men of Allah and the Men of knowledge, because they were ordained to protect the Book of Allah, and they stood guard over it. So, (O Jews of today,) do not fear people. Fear me, and do not take a paltry price for My verses. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down are disbelievers. We prescribed for them therein: A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear and a tooth for a tooth; and for wounds, an equal retaliation Then, if one forgives it, that will be expiation for him. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down, they are the unjust. We sent Isa son of Maryam after those prophets, confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before him, and We gave him the Injil having guidance and light therein, and confirming the Torah that was (revealed) before it; a guidance and a lesson for the God-fearing. And the people of the Injil must judge according to what Allah has sent down therein. Those who do not judge according to what Allah has sent down, they are the sinners. We have sent down to you the Book with truth, confirming the Book before it, and a protector for it. So, judge between the according to what Allah has sent down, and do not follow their desires against the truth that has come to you. For each of you We have made a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made a single community of people, but (He did not), so that He may test you in what He has given to you. Strive, then to excel each other in good deeds. To Allah is the return for all of you. Then Allah shall tell you about that in which you disputed. We order you to judge between the according to what Allah has sent down. Do not follow their desires, and beware of them, lest they should turn away from some of what Allah has sent down to you. If they turn away, be assured that Allah intends to make the suffer for some of their sins. Surely, many of the people are sinners.”

How can Christians and Jews judge by what has been revealed in the Torah and Injil if they do not have access to those Scriptures? Again, the text assumes that the “people of the book” have access to the previously-revealed Scriptures. We go on:

  • Surah Al-Maeda 68: “Say, “O people of the Book, you have nothing to stand on, unless you uphold the Torah and the Injil and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.” What has been sent down to you from your Lord will certainly make many of the most persistent in rebellion and disbelief. So, do not grieve over the disbelieving people.”

Not only does this text command the “people of the Book” to uphold the Torah and the Injil (which they must have in their possession for the command to make sense), but they are told of the Scriptures that were previously “sent down to you“. Who does “you” refer to? In context, it can only refer to the people of the Book. This is difficult to square with the popular Islamic notion that the Injil was revealed only to Jesus and was quickly lost without leaving any trace in history. Again, this text assumes that the “people of the book” possess the Torah and the Injil and that they have been neither corrupted nor lost.

As if those weren’t enough, here’s one final example:

  • Surah Yunus 94: “So, (O prophet,) even if you are in doubt about what We have sent down to you, ask those who read the Book (revealed) before you. Surely, truth has come to you from your Lord, so never be among those who are suspicious.”

This text again makes no sense unless the Christians and Jews have access to the Books revealed before Muhammad. The Muslim contention that the Christian and Jewish Scriptures have been corrupted beyond recognition is simply without support from the Qur’an.

Was Jesus A Successful Preacher of Islam According to the Qur’an?

Muslims typically maintain that Jesus preached Islam, but was apparently not very successful in winning converts, because His message became quickly corrupted. Such a notion, however, is contrary to the text of the Qur’an.  Let’s take a look at some more verses:

  • Surah Al-E-Imran 50-52: “I [Jesus] have come to you confirming that (book) which is (sent down) prior to me, that is, the Torah, and to are permissible for you some of what was prohibited to you. I have come to you with a sign fro your Lord So, fear Allah and obey me. Allah is surely my Lord and your Lord. So, worship Him. This is the straight path So, when Isa sensed disbelief in them, he said: “Who are my helpers in the way of Allah?” The disciples said: “We are helpers of Allah We believe in Allah; so be our witness that we are Muslims.”“

According to this text, Jesus was at least somewhat successful as a preacher of Islam and his own disciples themselves, at least some of whom — Peter, Matthew, John — are contributors to the New Testament. If these disciples were Muslims, why is their theology so strongly at odds with the Qur’an?

  • Surah Al-E-Imran 55: “When Allah said: “O Isa, I am to take you in full and to raise you towards myself, and to cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and to place those who follow you above those you disbelieve up to the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in that over which you have differed.”

In the above text, Allah promises Jesus that He will place those who follow him “above those who disbelieve up to the Day of Doom”. If barely anyone was a true follower of Jesus (i.e. a Muslim), then this text cannot be understood.

  • Surah Al-Maeda 110-111: “Call to mind the time when Allah will say “O Isa, son of Maryam, remember my blessing upon you and upon your mother; when I supported you with the Holy Spirit. You spoke to people while you were still in the cradle and when you grew to middle age. I taught you the Book and the Wisdom, the Torah and  the Injil. You created from clay something in the shape of a bird, when you blew on it, and it became a bird by My leave. I kept the children of Isra’il away from you when you came to them with clear signs, and the disbelievers among them said, ”This is a clear magic.”  When I enjoined upon the disciples (of Jesus), “Believe in Me and in My Messenger,” they said, “We believed. Bear witness that we are the submitting ones.”“

This text again attests that the disciples of Jesus were Muslims. Interestingly, the story recounted in the above passage does not appear anywhere in the Bible, but can be traced to the Arabic infancy Gospel (dated to the sixth century) which Muhammad would have had access to. Indeed, I would argue that there is a strong case to be made for literary dependence on this apocryphal book.  Here is the relevant text from the Arabic infancy Gospel 36:

Now, when the Lord Jesus had completed seven years from His birth, on a certain day He was occupied with boys of His own age. For they were playing among clay, from which they were making images of asses, oxen, birds, and other animals; and each one boasting of his skill, was praising his own work. Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys: The images that I have made I will order to walk. The boys asked Him whether then he were the son of the Creator; and the Lord Jesus bade them walk. And they immediately began to leap; and then, when He had given them leave, they again stood still. And He had made figures of birds and sparrows, which flew when He told them to fly, and stood still when He told them to stand, and ate and drank when He handed them food and drink. After the boys had gone away and told this to their parents, their fathers said to them: My sons, take care not to keep company with him again, for he is a wizard: flee from him, therefore, and avoid him, and do not play with him again after this.

Notice in particular how this passage ends. Jesus is accused of being a “wizard”. The Qur’an states that “the disbelievers among them said, ”This is a clear magic.”” It seems probable that this source is where the author of the Qur’an is drawing from on this point.

We go on:

  • Surah Ash-Shura 13-14: “He has ordained for you people the same religion as He has enjoined upon Nuh, and that which We have revealed to you (O prophet) and that which We had enjoined upon Ibrahim and Musa and Isa by saying, “Establish the religion, and be not divided therein.” Arduous for the mushriks (polytheists) is that to which you are inviting them. Allah chooses (and pulls) toward Himself anyone He wills, and guides to Himself anyone who turns to Him (to seek guidance). And they were not divided, in jealousy with each other, but after the knowledge had come to them. Had it not been for a word that had come forth earlier from your Lord (and was effective) until a specified time, the matter would have been decided between them. And those who were made to inherit the Book after them are in confounding doubt about it.”

Who are “those who were made to inherit the Book after them”? Isn’t this referring to those who inherited the books of Abraham and Moses and Jesus (the three prophets listed in the above text)?

  • Surah As-Saff 14: “O you who believe, be supporters of (the religion of) Allah, just as Isa, son of Maryam, said to the Disciples, “Who are my supporters towards Allah?” The Disciples said, “We are the supporters of (the religion of) Allah.” So a group from the children of Isra’il believed, and another group disbelieved. Then we supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became victors.”

This text implies that a group from among the Jews believed the Islamic teachings of Jesus. Why, then, did they leave no trace in history? The final sentence (“Then we supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became victors”) is typically interpreted by commentators as being in reference to Christianity becoming the religion of the Roman empire in the fourth century A.D. If this is the case, why does the Christian religion that gained victory over the Roman empire look so different from Islam? The Christianity that became the dominant religion in the Roman empire maintained the deity of Christ and his death by crucifixion, two propositions expressly denied by the Qur’an.

Can Anyone Change Allah’s Words?

The Qur’an states plainly on several occasions that no one can alter or change the words of Allah and that Allah preserves and protects His words. Here’s what the Qur’an says:

  • Surah Al-Anaam 34: “Indeed, many messengers have been rejected before you [i.e. Muhammad], but they stood patient against their rejection, and they were persecuted until Our help came to them. No one can change the words of Allah, and of course, some accounts of the Messengers have already come to you.”
  • Surah Al-Anaam 115: “The Word of Your Lord is perfect in truth and justice. None is there to change His words, and He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”
  • Surah Al-Hijr 9: “We, Ourselves, have sent down the Dhikr (the Qur’an), and We are there to protect it.
  • Surah Al-Kahf 27: “And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no one to change His words, and you will never find a refuge beside Him.”

Muslims are frequently telling us about the miraculous textual preservation of the Qur’an. As an aside, the notion that the text of the Qur’an as we possess it today perfectly resembles the Qur’an of the seventh century is demonstrably untrue — but that’s a subject for another day. My question for Muslims is thus: If Allah was able to perfectly preserve the text of the Qur’an, why wasn’t he able to do the same with the Bible? Do the above verses not apply equally to the previous revelations of Allah?

What Does The Historical Record Say About Biblical Textual Preservation?

As far as ancient texts go, the New Testament is the best attested of antiquity, based on the sheer volume of manuscripts (between 5 and 6 thousand Greek manuscripts) and the earliness of those manuscripts. Moreover, the earliest manuscripts we have demonstrate the existence not of a single line of corrupt transmission, but multiple lines of transmission with varying levels of accuracy. Multiple lines of transmission defy the possibility of being under the control of any central editing process. The burden of proof lies with the skeptic who asserts corruption of the primitive New Testament texts since the extant manuscripts show multiple lines of independent transmission. In any case, even if no New Testament manuscripts were preserved, we would still be able to construct the vast majority of the New Testament from quotations by early church fathers.

Conclusion

To conclude, the argument developed above represents a formidable challenge to the Islamic religion, and I challenge any Muslim to show me where I have erred. In order to maintain his Islamic faith, a Muslim must reject one or more of the Premises of the syllogism given at the start of this article. If he cannot do so, the conclusion follows necessarily and inescapably.

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  1. moose says:

    jonathan-if the (un) holy bible is the only “divinely inspired” holy book, and the qur’an is a phony, does that mean all muslims are going to hell? (where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched–according to the great hero-jesus)

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    • DwayneWayne says:

      God has said (through Jesus) we need to receive the grace of God through Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross; and possibly the more often a person rejects this message, and causes others to, the more condemnation he (or she) receives. According to Romans 2:12, you are judged by the Law (the Bible) if you’ve heard it, and by your own conscience if you have not yet heard it. HOWEVER, Christ will judge all secrets of the hearts of men (2:16). How then shall we avoid God’s righteous wrath without the Blood of Christ for a cover?

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  2. A Muslim says:

    Can we Prove Quran is From God?

    Muslims have something that offers the clearest proof of all – The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times.

    Surprisingly enough, the Quran itself provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. Allah tells us in the Quran:

    Haven’t the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
    [Noble Quran 4:82]

    Another amazing challenge from Allah’s Book:

    If you are in doubt about it, bring a chapter like it.
    [Noble Quran 2:23]

    And Allah challenges us with:

    Bring ten chapters like it. [Noble Quran 11:13]

    And finally:

    Bring one chapter like it. [Noble Quran 10:38]

    No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad (peace be upon him) did 14 centuries ago.

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    • Brendon Miskell says:

      Muhammed did not live a life worthy of God, God would never select such a man as his messenger. Consider the evidence

      * Muhammed approved of sex slavery
      * Muhammed was a pedophile in today’s terms
      * Muhammed was a rapist
      * Muhammed was a cheat and a liar and it only gets worse from there
      https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/islam-the-crimes-of-prophet-mohammed/
      http://godofreason.com/new-page-5.htm

      THere is nothing to recommend Muhammed nor any reason to hold to the idea he has either a Godly man or Gods messenger many of his actions were downright evil and politically motivated for his own power, he was a good conman and that is all he was

      Jesus is both the message of God and Gods son and messenger, he lived a pure life a holy life and only in him is truth found “I am the way the life and the truth, he that believes in me will not walk in darkness but have eternal life”

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      • Özcan Erdönmez says:

        Jesus was no better than Muhammed, sorry my friend… He was a typical Middle Easterner with a very similar culture as Muhammed… We can’t judge their lifestyle because we now live in modern times and have culturally and sociologically evolved considerably, but that is beside the point. You are a blind believer of Christianity and can’t see the many contradictions, absurdities and immoral teachings in your own religion just like Muslims….. it’s very easy for humans to criticize other people, other religions and other cultures, but so incredibly difficult to criticize your own.religion, your own culture, your own country, favorite political party, ideology or whatever…..

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      • Nicholas Mansfield says:

        Shalom Brendon Miskell, Ha-Moshiach Yeshua endorsed the Ishmaelites to take over from the Israelites, have you not read a bible?

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      • Ed Vaessen says:

        Good and bad can be found among Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists and so on. There are people that consider themselves to be good Muslims and yet will blow up other people. If you were to have a discussion with them, you would find that they interpret Quran and the Ahadith differently and you will have a hard time to prove that they are wrong. They will have an equal hard time to prove you to be wrong.
        Within Christianity and other religions, things are more or less the same: people interpret the writing differently and no one is able to convince the other.
        Now in religious writing, this point has been addressed and the explanation brought forward is that those who do not believe or who have different opinions, are simply not wanting to see the truth.
        This, however, is a cheap trick. One can always say that.
        A far better explanation is that God simply is not clear in his communication and an explanation for that is even more simple: God most likely doesn’t exist.

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      • Sz says:

        No one needs to defend the great quran allah him self is more than enough n these people donot know that they themselves changed the Bible which was the word of Allah n now the r themselves being a fool. We r believes n know more than what they know god have sealed their hearts n they know not.

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  3. Özcan Erdönmez says:

    As an ex-Muslim, I’m convinced that both the Bible and the Qur’an are the words of men, not the Creator of the universe. This is where the evidence has finally led me. Both books contain not only many immoral teachings, but there are numerous inconsistencies and claims about the universe that very obviously conflict with modern science. The origins of these religions are rooted in Sumerian theology, as well as other ancient religions, mythologies and cultures.

    Even if there were no absurdities, irrational and immoral teachings in the Qur’an, I would still reject it as the word of God. Why? Because of the ludicrous concept of eternal Hellfire by the “Merciful God”. According to the Qur’an, Allah will only accept Islam as the true religion and all non-Muslims will burn in an eternal Hellfire, regardless of how many good deeds they do. This means that billions of Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Taoists, Shintoists and others will be tortured for eternity by the merciful God. No human being who listens to his own conscience and reason would ever believe in such an evil God. People believe in the religion of their country and parents, if devout “Muslims” were born in China, they too would have been Buddhist now. The same is of course true for the Bible and Christianity, as well as other religions.

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    • A Muslim says:

      Hi 🙂
      I’m a Muslim. I learned we should love all the people,help them,and we should fight with their enemies.Islam is the religion of mercy and justice.I’m a Muslim , So listen to me, I tell the truth.The best person in the world is someone who is a real Muslim.Terrorists aren’t Muslim.Our prophet Mohammad(Peace be upon him)did not start the war.He loved the children,and…Islam says be the real human,and no one is superior over another except in piety that jus god know who is virtuous,and we are not allowed to hurt ourselves and others,and…If I want to tell you about Allah,Islam,Quran, and Muslims , it may take up a day.Of course, I must confess that my knowledge is minimal.I try to be someone like our prophet, and our Imams,now I’m not a perfect human,but I’ll do my best.
      I wish for you all the best.

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      • A Christian says:

        A Christian
        Jan 10, 2017

        Hi,
        A Muslim, I have a question for you. What about The early Muslim conquests in the time of Muhammad ? Are they not the same as what ISIS are doing now?
        Levant, Mesopotamia, Persia, North Africa, Iberia, Gaul, Transoxania, Sindh and Caucasus all those countries had suffered a lot because of the Muslim conquests in those peroids of time:
        under Muhammad, 622–632
        under Rashidun caliphs, 632–661
        under Umayyad caliphs, 661–750

        In Islam you call them conquests but they were colonialism and they were not different than what ISIS are doing now.
        Muslims from the first day of Islam and they fight each other and Islam get separated by sword, then you are saying that Islam is religion of peace and Muhammad was a peaceful man. Hahaha
        You made me laugh.

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        • Someone says:

          A Christian, you made me laugh too. You are saying that Muslims are terrorist, based on your reasons. How about those Christians who are also criminals? Those who are bad? Those who do the same like what a real terrorist does? Are you telling us they are not terrorists themselves? Are you telling us that no matter how evil other Christians are, they cannot be considered as TERRORISTS? How funny you can be. And I’ve been asking every Christians I encounter (even my friends) to prove that Jesus stated in the bible that “I am the God. Worship me” then I will believe he really is the real God. Most of you (because you have different interpretion) answers me this, “God and Jesus is not the same. God is the spirit, Jesus is the man image..” If God is powerful and He is the one who created Jesus, then WHY are you worshipping Jesus, and NOT GOD? Jesus was made from the image of God you say, doesn’t that mean God is more powerful and thus He should be the one you believe in? Not Jesus. Explain if you want to state your opinion.

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        • Someone says:

          I mean, I’ve been asking every Christians I encounter to prove that Jesus said Himself that “I am God. Worship me.”, they never had proved it. They can’t state a verse, or a chapter. Can you?

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    • Rao Muhammad waleed says:

      both Holy Bible and Holy Quran are words of ALLAH ALMIGHTY (GOD). Bible is not in its original form but Quran is in its original form and it is proved by a russian debate that all other books are changed but only Holy Quran is not changed. So now the only thing to follow is Quran.

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    • Maxime Boucher says:

      I’m so annoyed by the saying that the Quran was never changed. Just look at the Wikipedia of the quran. There were 4 people authorised by Mohammad to write the quran and they all had different numbers of verses. They like to say not one dot has been added yet in the original there was no dots. Does your version have dots. How many English versions of quran are there? Why all the quran were burned and than for political reasons a standardized version was made? Is it accurate?

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      • Iman says:

        Dear my friend,
        Firstable , all of things that has written in wikipedia may be wrong !
        But about this case ( burning other qurans) it should be considerd that
        ” what was the differences of those qurans?”
        And the answer (according to history) is clear:
        The distinction between them, was just in “arrengment ,sequence and ordering” not in “content”. And the reason is clear. The Verses of quran were sent by god at different conditions. ( for example read the “yasin 78 ,79”)
        And about dot! as you know, the early kufi language , doesnt have dot! but today we have dots to read more frequently! do you want to say that adding dots to quraan is Distortion?
        Muslims say that there isnt any removed or added any word or sentence or Verse or chapter! This quran’s content, is exactly as same as the quran were recived by prophet muhammad

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      • Someone says:

        Were dots have been that big deal? Maybe in contructing a sentence whenever I am in my English subject. It is correct that Quran was never change. We don’t have NEW TESTAMENT that was written by nothing but a mere person (sorry not sorry). The contents of Quran was the same. Why are you so annoyed? Was it because we still read the same content of Quran and you guys have different versions? It’s not our fault.

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    • Jennifer says:

      This is exactly what I believe!! They are both the truth but people aren’t seeing how they work together. It’s not at all what people think either…. the “non-believer” is the thoughts that are not love (God). Adam & Eve “realized” they were naked. Heaven & Hell is in our minds & we are souls forever connected always & the illusion is that we are separated. We are God, Allah, Jesus, & Mohammed all together. God is in all of us. Islam, Judaism, & Christianity need to come together & we will have heaven on earth.

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  4. David says:

    Holy Bible is not word of Gad, it is a narrative books both old testament and new testament. For example in the old testament you can read about how Moses died. Also in new testament you can find many paradoxical verses such as Jesus’s ancestry. Importantly, document of the Bible is vague and controversial. Anyone can not claim that the Bible is word of God. Therefor, you should prove the Bible is word of God and then talk about Quran as well.

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  5. Elias says:

    I am surprised you have read the Quran, the Bilble and you are not a Believer (Muslim) yet. Is it your heart or your mind that is getting in the way? Is it the attestations and evidence you have or the constant search for information that reinforces your predisposition? Is it the courage of your questions or the depth of your answers? Or is it your willingness to embrace what it true rather than what feels good?

    God Bless!

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    • Kurian says:

      If someone read the Quran he will leave Islam because the life of the false prophet Muhammad…Any one comparing Quran and Bible will become a believer (of Jesus)
      just by seeing the life of Muhammad. It seems Muslims throughout history fail in critical reasoning.

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      • Someone says:

        I don’t think so. Most of the time, anyone who reads Quran and Bible converts to Islam. It’s the truth. And truth hurts, my dear.

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  6. Furqan says:

    Quran means reading, and al-kitaab means THE BOOK not books.
    Torat means law not BOOK
    Injeel means good news not BOOK
    Never will you find in Arabic text Torat not injeej described as Books, but it’s put in our minds from clergy carried by mankind.
    translators put words which are not there in Arabic text

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    • Nicholas Mansfield says:

      Shalom Furqan, I thought that basharna means good tidings (S37:101), and injeel; Gospel. Torat is transliterated as Torah; instructions. The Qur’an defines Torah in the same manner as the Gospel, being the entire Tanakh; Prophetic and Mosaic Torah.

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  7. Nicholas Mansfield says:

    I have studied Jewish, Christian, and Islamic texts for almost a decade in Shabbat, and whenever else I can. How do you interpret Matt.21:43? Although many of the early Gospels were destroyed (Taitan’s Diatessaron being an established example), and usurped by the Vulgate styled Canon, as well as other earlier replacement theology texts, there remains one early Gospel which points to where Mohammad may have been cited, although not directly by name. The Gospel in question is known only from fragments called Papyrus Egerton 2. The context is the well known confrontation between Yeshua and the Tsadokim strongmen where he is questioned over the tax to Rome. Here is where Yeshua quotes more of Isaiah 29 than any other Gospel portion.

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  8. Mustapha says:

    All your premises are false. The so-called bible(I.e. First and second testament) has been corrupted and is NOT the word of God alluded to in the Holy Quran.
    Therefore, your whole article is irrelevant. FYI, the Holy Quran was revealed specifically to preserve and re-affirm the Word of God from the corruption that it suffered at the hands of Jews and Christian.

    Therefore, there is ONLY ONE surviving inerrant Word of God: The Holy Quran.

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    • Molly says:

      Quran is also not the word of God. God can’t choose a person like your prophet. A prophet’s character should be superior to other human beings.he married zenab who was ex wife of his adopted son.he married safia whose husband and brother was killed by him only. Wow

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      • Kurian says:

        Not to mention a slave trader, war criminal, married Ayesha when she was 6. and this list goes on.
        Muhammad always have convenient reevelations
        Muhammad’s wife Hafsa once caught him in her bed with another woman—his slave-girl, Mary the Copt. Seeking to avoid further conflict, Muhammad promised that he would stop having sex with Mary. Later, however, Muhammad received one of his infamous morally convenient revelations from Allah.

        Qur’an 66:1-2—O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has made lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise.

        As you can see everytime Muahammad wants something Allah give him a revelation granting it at the same time Muslims justifying it

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  9. Peet says:

    It’s obvious all former comments about either holy book are believers in theirs.
    Fine, just don’t claim them to be from a God, whatever God.
    Both are books, and any book itself cannot count as evidence for what itself claims to be.

    Truth is typically defined as “that which is concordant with reality”.
    If we don’t know whether it is concordant with reality, then we don’t know whether it is truth, and we should be honest about that.
    We should not assert as fact that which is not evidently true, because that is dishonest.
    Logically then, truth is whatever statement can be shown to be true.
    The truth is what the facts are because the facts can be objectively verified.
    There are many facts that we know and can show to be true of evolution, for example, but there is not one fact that is positively indicative of or exclusively concordant with gods or magic or mythology.
    So asking religious believers to show the truth of their religious belief, they can’t, because there’s literally no truth in it.

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  10. Cosmos says:

    Forget GOD. ALLAH. JESUS. et al It is all nonsense invented by us stupid humans

    This GOD you talk about, watches idly as 10million children die every year from illness and hunger. IS that bad. No that is the good part. Then we have our serial killer on death row who finally faces his destiny. What does he do? He was born again or he calls the priest/minister and accepts Jesus the day before he is going to die. Voila he is forgiven and goes to heaven.
    Is this the work of a fair and just God?

    And the Garden of Eden. Why do we overule GODS laws? What happened there? Incest. That is the only way the earth’s population could expand. Mom and son, dad and daughter. But we mere christians say: Das is verboten! No we won’t have sex with our children. But it was fine with Adam and Eve, so who are we to differ form what God allows? So then man made laws are better and we have to overrule GOD, because us mere mortals, know that he is WRONG?

    The poor illiterate people living in central Congo, the Amazon or a Hindu village in India, all go to hell because they did not accept God while they were alive. How were they supposed to know about the GOD’S son Jesus, way over there in Europe & Middle East? So where are those missionaries that should have brought the word of GOD to these people? And please tell me, even 500 years ago, how was anybody supposed to know about GOD unless they lived in the Middle East or Italy? So millions of people after death went to hell because they were the victims of a poor transport and postal service such as those who lived in Indonesia, Brazil, Australia – to name a few.
    Fair Just God?

    And to boot what was GOD doing before sending Jesus or the prophet down to earth? He was playing dice with peoples lives. Before Jesus arrived all the people on earth went to hell after they died because GOD did not let them know he was sitting in heaven, watching his retched humans go about their miserable meaningless lives? GOD did not tell people on earth that they must obey him because there was no Jesus to tell them. So arbitrarily, he sends millions of souls to hell because he felt like it and to boot humans knew no better? And then makes his presence known and sends Jesus down to earth after first laughing at us for thousands of years? Please tell me another yarn. What a cynical cruel GOD.

    And then there are 29 religions on earth and all have their own GOD. So who must I pray to? Will the real GOD please stand up so that I know you are the real deal. And what if all the GODS stand up and say ME ME ME ME. Well somebody is lying, right? It looks like no GOD is listening to me, so to hedge my bets I do this: I say one prayer and multiply by 29 just to cover all bases and include all the gods. Just in case.

    And furthermore:
    NO CHRISTIANS ARE GOING TO HEAVEN.
    EVER.
    They are all SINNERS and HYPOCRITES. The catholic priest I had when I went to church smoked, drank, liked women and said the F word. And the POPE is also going to hell. He protected hundreds of pedophile priests and let down and he “sacrificed” the children so that he could keep the image of the RC church high up on the charts. What a hypocrite. Do so called christians ever change and try and be better people after going to church? I don’t think so. They carry on exactly the same behaviour that they were busy with before putting on the suit or dress or whatever. They still curse, lie, cheat on taxes and covet sexy women and guys. Most don’t give a damn what the sermon is about. They are too busy checking out who is there and what they are wearing. It is a parade of fools. If you don’t MAKE A VERY VERY SINCERE ATTEMPT to change your behaviour when you step out the church then you are a LIAR and HYPOCRITE. And you don’t believe in GOD because you want to do the right thing or because you are are a so called “voluntary” christian. You believe in GOD – and listen carefully – ONLY because you are terrified of what will happen to you when you die. You see, you know that there may be a devil out there. So you are all cowards, hedging your bets and go to church out of FEAR just in case. Only FEAR drives you to church. So just after raping a child, having sex with the neighbours wife, stealing or even killing, “good christians” then waltz into church and wash themselves clean of all sins? Calling yourself a christian by believing in GOD out of fear, makes you a 1000x worse than any honest atheist.

    Obviously GOD is a man made edifice that we created to make sense of our stupid insignificant useless lives. Ask the Kardashians or any other nut case in Beverley Hills jumping around a stage earning millions while children are dying. the world IS EVIL and hopefully the hole rotten mess will burn in hell forever. the POPE and all POPES and anyone else crazy enough to believe in this utter nonsense. We are all recycled form dead plants fish bugs insects and dinosaur viruses

    Did you know that you are not the same person genetically from day one? Your genes change a little bit almost every day. Every time you get a virus infection, the RNA or DNA of that virus is spliced into your DNA blueprint. So you are not the same person as you were yesterday! So what do you think has happened after 59 years? You became a different person when, as a baby, you had your first virus infection. And only 22,000 genes are present in our bodies, accounting for 3% of our DNA. So what is the other 97% junk DNA then? I will tell you. VIRAL DNA that was incorporated into your DNA over hundreds of thousands of years. Rather wonder about this, instead of GOD and other delusional thinking. So think about is.

    It is quite probable that human are walking around with 97% of their genome consisting of the DNA of viruses. And you thought that you are special. You are not. Just a heap of junk unused viral DNA breathing oxygen.

    Now that is something to ponder about, instead of indulging in psychotic, delusional thinking and calling it religion or a belief in GOD, so that you can feel good about yourself. And don’t you feel like an absolute fraud when you explain to your innocent, honest 5 year old, what/who GOD is? Just listen to yourself trying to tell your 5 y old little girl all this nonsense. You know at that EXACT moment: “GOD is that wonderful man who helps everybody” STOP. You are lying. Why then does your neighbours child have leukaemia? If you are normal. You will know that you are telling your child the biggest LIE ever told. Now shrug your shoulders and get on with another useless day on earth.

    I will get back to genetics, cosmology and physics

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  11. Mus says:

    A simple reason why jesus cannot be GOD .Jesus cannot be an incarnate of GOD, for one simple reason. He ate food, drank, took in oxygen, slept when he was tired. All thsi is not consistent with the attributes of GOD as GOD does not rely on things he created for his survival. GOD does not need oxygen, GOD does not need to eat for energy nor does he get thirsty. he does not get tired nor sleepy
    The Quran states this is 2:255 there is no god except Him—is the Living One, the All-sustainer. Neither drowsiness befalls Him nor sleep.
    GOD sustains this whole universe, but does not need sustaining himself. If Jesus was GOD then why did he need to be sustained?

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    • Believer in Christ the saviour says:

      Jesus was sent by God to earth through Mary. He has no earthly father; like non other. Some may claim this is comparable to Adam or to John baptist, but it is not the circumstances are completely different and Jesus was divine. He did not sin.. Like non other! And will return on the day of judgement alongside God, like non- other. God was in Jesus and Jesus was in him. That is why ‘some’ chistians say he is God; but the bible does not say this. Man could not see God or would die through his light, therefore he sent a human form to earth in order to spread his word. The notion that Christian believe that Jesus is God is misunderstood, God is within Jesus.
      Another point which I would like to address is the so called ‘ on- cruxifiction of Jesus.. Why would God deceive his people to believing that Jesus died. He is not dishonest or deceitful. Jesus died and was resurrected in order to further the truth. I can understand earlier points on people being born into religions and following their parents etc.. Which is why I do not criticise people for their believes; but the points being made to dismiss the bible and Christianity hold no weight. Jesus was sacred.. Born and lived like no other… Surely this should affirm in people’s minds that he was in fact unique.. And pure as God, and God was within him. He is the son of God. Without criticising other religions, faiths or beliefs I will leave it there.

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    • Ed Vaessen says:

      Mus says:
      “A simple reason why jesus cannot be GOD .Jesus cannot be an incarnate of GOD, for one simple reason. He ate food, drank, took in oxygen, slept when he was tired. All thsi is not consistent with the attributes of GOD as GOD does not rely on things he created for his survival. GOD does not need oxygen, GOD does not need to eat for energy nor does he get thirsty. he does not get tired nor sleepy
      The Quran states this is 2:255 there is no god except Him—is the Living One, the All-sustainer. Neither drowsiness befalls Him nor sleep.
      GOD sustains this whole universe, but does not need sustaining himself. If Jesus was GOD then why did he need to be sustained?”

      Wrong reasoning. You cannot judge what God intentions are according to believers. You think of God as the biggest bully in town.

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  12. noone important says:

    All I see in these comments is hate and anger, religion is such a petty interpretation of an astral existence that no book has had the pleasure of honing, for you are all far too inferior to understand where your tiny little plane of existence lies

    Let me spell it out for you all since I found this laughable site by accident

    Christianity, Islam, doesn’t matter what it is, I don’t seem understand this, hellfire, while I dreamt I was suddenly an orb of perception and trumpet blasts and light shook my reality with a booming roaring and holy voice of all existence spoke clear as day welcoming me into a place I can describe in perfect coherincy, but I asked God many things, he told me many things, and yes he told me directly to my soul that I’m immortal and there is not a heaven nor a hell, nor anything of the sort, when you die you return to the spiritual plane like a stopping point, here you may laugh and play as long as you like, rest reflect on past lives and even learn other things, but once you leave you immediately are transcended to be born again, somewhere in the universe of your choosing or maybe of where you once were, doesn’t matter, over a million years ago I learned there that I was born during the golden age of morlok but a citizen of Mars, contradictory to what you may believe this is what I learned alright, take your delusional opinions out the door like fools

    I survived and died during the great collapse, between morlok joining the astroid belt…And Mars the beautiful planet so precious with lush amethyst trees…All destroyed because someone let in a being from the dark worlds, a daemon who stole magic of thousands and collapsed the portals underneath morlok (planet that once existed between Mars and earth) and either he was sent back and I hunted down the man responsible for it all or I killed him, regardless of who it was, I killed them upon the raging nuclear radiating landscape with all my soul focused into my fist and an angelic illusion appeared to talk me out of it in which I screamed your illusions do not affect me daemon! And as his face grew pale the angel vanished like smoke and everything went white and that’s all I saw, the last thing of that that I was shown by God himself, the great creator, etc whatever you wanna call him

    But in all honesty you all are begging and pleading for some anti Christ to appear eh? That’s all your religions ever talk about is yeah! Damnation! Yeah! Hellfire, I believe if you want a evil one to destroy your precious Babylon then I can certainly fill the bill, give you corrupt loathing wretches what you deserve, then turn my gaze and rip apart every religion until the truth is set free

    Lies lies lies how about wake up you fools, love and kindness is not this madness you call it? It is not like your two faced hearts and I shame you all for having such bendable hearts that fear their own sins

    I was once like you fools but as I grow I push away all these things but I’m no angel nor daemon, I am human, the in-between, balanced and I will free this race from the grasp of angels and daemons playing tug of war saying choose my side, choose my side, how about no sides

    Sides are for war, you want peace? Choose no side
    You want love? Choose human side?
    You want to find truth? Ask and you shall know!
    You want to understand? Listen and you shall be wise!

    But by all means if you want lies, pick up a book and learn the lies that have bent and hollowed away from a truth lost thousands upon thousands of years ago, religions was the sign we lost the truths, in the ancient world of Mars their were none religions, these things were treated as cults, avoid them, if they cause trouble, destroy them, simple process of the ancient wise ones, better to cut out a corrupt seed than to let the world fall into Oblivion

    If you want to say love and speak of these hate filled hypocrisies then go ahead, I don’t mind at all, a fool is only a fool by choice, you want to be wise and filled with unending love? Same way you get knowledge, seek it and you shall receive!

    And jesus was a powerful great man who found enlightenment but fools cannot understand that, his own kind would have killed him…But guess what, they did, and that’s part of the reason he traveled all the time, to spread his teachings and yeah, he knew he was going to die, a practice of holy healing magic of old now criminalized by fools who think belief is faith and that faith is God, faith is not God, God is God, faith is truth of the astrals brightest form

    And there will not be anything bad that happens to you if you just choose to look at what I say as incorrect, you have a good idea to stay away from truth and to shelter your mind to the truth beyond the realms of physical, but open your eyes fools, we are entering another golden age, magic is returning, energy is becoming more apparent than matter making the metaphysical the new physical, and the physical as the new metaphysical

    Open your minds and seek truth, forget everything you know and you will learn everything they don’t

    I am noone important, I am wind that you forget in an instant, and there are no names you should know of a man bent on love and true inner joy, be strong and undivided my fellow man, and heed no lie that say enemy or separate, we are one, we are standing, and when the Angelica and daemons come we shall throw them all back to their realms and they will heed our voices as one, we are not pawns, and we are not gods! But we are not going to bow to any other race that urges us to fight and betray our own love and true peace of mind!

    What point is our strive, if we allow this apocalypse to come, when we could stand up and unite, kill the beast when he comes and throw down the dark one ourselves, if anything is for certain I will be there, and I will not, for I am nobody important, not to you who reads

    And certainly not the creator of this thread

    Peace be with all my fellow man, may you find love, happiness, and again, inner joy soon, leebros uulamanté

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