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El ateo Richard Dawkins ha declarado: “El universo que observamos tiene precisamente las características que deberíamos esperar pues al final no hay diseño, propósito, bien o mal. Nada más que una dura y despiadada indiferencia…el ADN no sabe ni le importa. El ADN simplemente está, y nosotros bailamos al compás de su melodía.

Pero Dawkins no actúa como si realmente creyera eso. Él ha afirmado recientemente que una mujer tiene el derecho a escoger el aborto, y consideró que sería ‘inmoral’ traer al mundo a un bebé con Síndrome de Down. Según Dawkins, el ‘derecho a escoger’ es algo bueno mientras que dar a luz a un niño con Síndrome de Down algo malo.

Entonces, ¿cómo funciona? ¿Existe realmente el bien y el mal, o somos solamente autómatas bailando al compás de nuestro ADN?

Ateos como Dawkins son fervientes defensores del derecho al aborto, el matrimonio homosexual, la asistencia médica y social, el uso de anticonceptivos, y otros más. Pero, ¿quién define que esos son realmente derechos? ¿Bajo qué estándar objetivo son el aborto, el matrimonio homosexual, la adopción por padres homosexuales y la asistencia médica y social derechos morales? No existe tal estándar en el universo materialista del ateísmo. Por lo tanto, los ateos deben robar las bases de los derechos moralmente objetivos dados por Dios mientras argumentan en contra de su existencia.

Ahora bien, no estoy diciendo que debas creer en Dios para ser una buena persona o que los ateos son personas inmorales. Incluso algunos ateos viven vidas más morales que muchos cristianos. Tampoco estoy diciendo que los ateos no sepan qué es la moralidad. Cualquiera tiene un concepto básico del bien y el mal sin importar si creen o no en Dios. De hecho, esto es justamente lo que la Biblia nos enseña (lee Romanos 2:14-15).

A lo que me refiero es que los ateos no tienen cómo justificar la moralidad. Frecuentemente confunden el saber qué es bueno con el justificar por qué es bueno. Ellos dicen que es bueno amar. Estoy de acuerdo, pero ¿por qué es bueno amar? ¿Por qué deberíamos hacerlo? El asunto no es cómo saber qué es Bueno, sino saber por qué existe un estándar confiable de Rectitud en primer lugar.

Puedes llegar a conocer la moralidad objetiva a través de diversas formas: tus padres, los maestros, la sociedad, tu conciencia, etc. Y puedes llegar a conocerla mientras niegas que Dios existe. Pero esto sería como decir que puedes conocer el contenido de un libro mientras niegas que este tiene un autor. ¡Claro que puedes hacerlo, pero no habría libro si no existiera un autor! En otras palabras, los ateos pueden llegar a conocer la moralidad objetiva mientras niegan que Dios existe, pero esta no existiría a menos que Dios si exista.

Si lo único que existe es lo material, lo cual es el argumento del ateísmo, entonces no existe tal cosa como una ley moral que sea inmaterial. Por lo tanto, los ateos deben robar un estándar moral para que su sistema materialista pueda funcionar, ya sea por un estado de bienestar absoluto, la Regla de Oro, hacer lo que “es mejor para la mayoría”, etc. Estos estándares no existen en un universo materialista en donde las creaturas bailan al compás de su ADN.

Los ateos se ven atrapados en un dilema. Si Dios no existe todo se reduce a opiniones personales, donde no existen los derechos moralmente objetivos, incluyendo todos aquellos que los ateos apoyan. Si Dios existe entonces existen los derechos moralmente objetivos. Pero claro, estos no incluyen matar bebés mientras se encuentran en el vientre, el matrimonio homosexual, y los muchos otros que han inventado, los cuales son contrarios a la mayoría de religiones y leyes naturales.

Ahora bien, un ateo podría decir: “En mi país tenemos una constitución que la mayoría aprobó. No necesitamos recurrir a Dios”. Esto es cierto, no tienes por qué avocarte con Dios para escribir leyes, pero si tienes que recurrir a Él si quieres que estas estén fundamentadas en algo más que opiniones humanas. De lo contrario, tus “derechos” sólo son preferencias que pueden ser derogadas en las urnas de votación o según el capricho de algún juez activista o dictador. Es por esto que nuestra Declaración de Independencia fundamenta nuestros derechos en el Creador. Esta reconoce el hecho que sí alguien llega a cambiar la constitución, tu seguirás gozando de algunos derechos pues estos provienen de Dios, no son invenciones humanas.

Sin embargo, mi punto no es cómo podríamos establecer los derechos objetivos, dados por Dios, dentro de las leyes humanas. Mi punto es que sin Dios no hay derechos humanos objetivos. No existe el derecho al aborto ni al matrimonio homosexual. ¡Claro, sin Dios tampoco hay derecho a la vida ni al matrimonio natural!

En otras palabras, no importa en qué postura política te encuentres –no importa con cuánta pasión apoyes y creas en ciertas causas o derechos– sin Dios ninguno de ellos son derechos verdaderos. Los derechos humanos no serían más importantes que tus preferencias personales. Por lo tanto, los ateos pueden creer y pelear por los derechos al aborto, el matrimonio homosexual, así como muchos otros, pero no pueden justificarlos como derechos verdaderos.

De hecho, para ser un ateo consistente –esto sonará escandaloso, pero es cierto– no puedes realmente pensar que alguien ha hecho algo para mejorar al mundo. Una política o reforma objetivamente Buena es imposible si el ateísmo es verdadero. Por lo tanto, debes creer que lo que hicieron Wilberforce, Lincoln y Martin Luther King para abolir la esclavitud y el racismo no era algo realmente bueno; simplemente era diferente. Esto significa que debes creer que haber rescatado a los judíos de los hornos no era objetivamente mejor que acabar con ellos. También significa que debes creer que el matrimonio homosexual no es mejor que el maltrato hacia los homosexuales. (Finalmente estamos “bailando al compás de nuestro ADN”, el que maltrata a los homosexuales simplemente nació con el gen anti-gay. ¡No puedes culparlo de ninguna manera!) También significa que debes creer que amar a alguien no es mejor que abusar de ellos.

Tal vez estarás pensando “¡esto es un escándalo! ¡El racismo, el asesinato y la violación son objetivamente malos, las personas tienen el derecho a no ser lastimadas!” Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Pero esto es verdadero solamente si Dios existe. En un universo ateo nada es objetivamente malo respecto a cualquier cosa en cualquier momento. No hay límites. Todo se vale. Por lo tanto, para ser  un ateo consistente debes creer y estar de acuerdo con lo escandaloso.

Si estás molesto conmigo por estos comentarios, entonces estás de acuerdo conmigo en una forma muy importante. Si no te agradan las ideas y comportamientos a los cuales hago referencia, estás admitiendo que no todos los comportamientos e ideas son iguales –algunos están más cerca de la verdad moralmente objetiva que otras–. Pero, ¿cuál es la fuente de esa verdad objetiva? Esta no puede ser alterable, como los seres humanos imperfectos como tú y yo. Esta puede ser solamente Dios, en cuya naturaleza inmutable se afirman todos los valores morales. Es por esto que los ateos, sin quererlo, están robándole a Dios cada vez que afirman un derecho para hacer cualquier cosa.

Pero, ¿cómo podemos saber que ese es el Dios del cristianismo? ¿Acaso no hizo cosas malas en el Antiguo Testamento? ¿Y dónde queda la separación entre el estado y la iglesia? Estas son algunas de las preguntas que he abordado en mi nuevo libro Robándole a Dios: Por qué los ateos necesitan de Dios para defender su postura, del cual se adaptó este artículo.

 


El Dr. Frank Turek (D.Min.) es un galardonado autor y frecuente orador universitario que presenta un programa de televisión semanal en DirectTV y un programa de radio que se transmite en 186 estaciones de todo el país. Sus libros incluyen I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist (No tengo suficiente fe para ser ateo) y Stealing from God:  Why atheists need God to make their case (Robando a Dios: ¿por qué los ateos necesitan a Dios para presentar su caso?).

Blog Original: http://bit.ly/2KzwRa7

Traducido por Erick Jiménez.

¿Es cierto que obtenemos toda la verdad de la ciencia? Cuando alguien afirma que “todo lo que sabemos que es verdad lo obtenemos meramente de la ciencia” nuestro deber es aclarar que este no es el caso pues, esa misma declaración no es científica. Tu no puedes ir a un laboratorio y probar esa declaración, pues es una afirmación filosófica.

La mayoría de la cosas que sabemos no son de naturaleza científica de hecho las leyes de la lógica que utilizamos para aprender todo lo demás no son científicas son metafísicas ni siquiera podríamos practicar la ciencia sin la filosofía, la ciencia está cimentada en la filosofía, la ciencia está fundamentada en estos principios metafísicos de las leyes de la lógica, causa y efecto, la uniformidad, aparte de muchas otras cosas y todos estos principios metafísicos los tienes que utilizar para poder hacer ciencia, así que la idea de que toda verdad proviene de la ciencia por más maravillosa que sea la ciencia, es simplemente un planteamiento erróneo, porque la ciencia en sí depende de estos conocimientos y principios metafísicos.

No podemos obtener verdades éticas de la ciencia. No podrías hablar de las cosas más importantes en nuestras vidas como relaciones personales, pues nosotros conocemos a nuestras esposo(a)s y a nuestros familiares no por medio de la ciencia, los conocemos por que interactuamos con ellos.

A Dios no lo conocemos por medio de la ciencia tampoco, pero las afirmaciones y argumentación científica tal vez nos ayude a mostrar que existe un ser más allá del mundo que lo ha creado y lo preserva , pero no lo conocemos a Él directamente por medio de la ciencia, lo conocemos por medio de lo que Él a hecho, y realizado. Así que podemos concluir y estar seguros de que no toda la verdad proviene de la ciencia, solo obtenemos algunas verdades por medio de la ciencia.

Así que la próxima vez que un materialista o naturalista trate de utilizar esta objeción puedes estar seguro de que este no es el caso, la ciencia nos informa de verdades dentro de sus limitaciones, acordémonos que la ciencia es descriptiva no prescriptiva, la moralidad y las leyes de la naturaleza no son dictadas por la ciencia solo descritas por ella.

Si quieres escuchar a dos apologistas discutir este tema con mas profundidad dale click al enlace: ¿Es la ciencia el único camino a la verdad?

Por Frank Turek

El sexo es la nueva religión en los Estados Unidos, y es la religión de la espada. Esta es la verdadera razón por la que esta controversia ha aumentado en Indiana. Una minoría vociferante y determinada de la religión del sexo está intimidando y la talando tradicionalistas quienes necesitan una ley que les permita que se les deje en paz. Este choque de ortodoxias tiene valores opuestos con moralistas en ambos lados exigiendo sus derechos.

Un lado dice, “todo el mundo debe celebrar mi matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo” (una posición moral).  Y el otro dice, “Dios o mi conciencia me impide hacerlo” (que es también una posición moral).  ¿Alguien puede ver una posición neutral aquí? No hay ninguna. Por lo tanto, la pregunta es ¿al “derecho” moral de quien se le dará prioridad?

Los Gobernadores de Indiana, Arkansas y varios otros estados ven la necesidad de proteger la libertad religiosa por una muy buena razón de que —está siendo atacada. La balanza se inclina decididamente contra el libre ejercicio de la religión tradicional— y contra el derecho de los cristianos, musulmanes, judíos y cualquier otra persona quien no se  celebre la ortodoxia de la nueva religión.

Olvídate de la tolerancia. Esto va más allá de la tolerancia. Ahora, si usted no está de acuerdo con celebrar el matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo, los creyentes en la religión del sexo comenzarán una inquisición y, sin un juicio justo, te castigaran por tu herejía. Es por eso que esta legislación es necesaria. Floristerías y pastelerías, fotógrafos, agentes de de bienes raíces, CEOs de compañías de Internet y los conferencistas como yo han descubierto personalmente que todas las personas que dicen que están luchando por “tolerancia” son a menudo las más intolerantes. En el nombre de la “inclusión y diversidad”, aquellos de nosotros que tenemos una diversa vista estamos siendo excluidos, y hasta despedidos y multados porque no violamos nuestras creencias para satisfacer al opresivo clero de la religión del sexo.

Hace un par de años Cisco y Bank of America me despidieron de mi puesto de consultor de formación debido a que ha que tengo creencias conservadoras sobre el sexo y el matrimonio aunque mis creencias nunca fueron expresadas en el trabajo. Cuando un gerente homosexual de Cisco se dio cuenta en la internet de que yo habia escrito un libro dando dando pruebas de que mantener la definición del matrimonio natural sería lo mejor para la sociedad, el no me pudo tolerar y exigió que me despidan. Un HR ejecutivo me corrió a pocas horas sin tan  siquiera hablar conmigo. Esto ocurrió a pesar del hecho que los programas de liderazgo y la formación de equipos que yo dirigía siempre recibían altas calificaciones (incluso del gerente homosexual!).

Mientras que probablemente estoy entre la minoría, creo que la gente tiene el derecho a elegir con quien quiere hacer negocios. En otras palabras, yo apoyo el derecho de Cisco de despedirme. Mi problema, como lo he explicado aquí, es que ellos falsamente afirman ser “incluyentes y diversos”, cuando son cualquier otra cosa menos eso. Su ortodoxia es tan cerrada y estrecha como la iglesia más rabiosamente fundamentalista.

Mis amigos David y Jason Benham  están de acuerdo con la libertad de asociación y los derechos de las empresas. Cuando los miembros de la religión del sexo aprendieron que los  hermanos Benham los cuales son evangélicos estaban violando su ortodoxia por ser pro-vida y pro-matrimonio natural, una inquisición comenzó para obtener que los Benhams fueran despedidos su programa de televisión. Los ejecutivos de HGTV en última instancia cedieron a las exigencias de estos sacerdotes dogmáticos y cancelaron su programa de televisión, que ya estaba en producción. Cuando Jason Benham le dijo a un reportero de televisión que HGTV tenía el derecho de despedirlos, el reportero quedó boquiabierto. La Benhams son en realidad tolerantes! También lo son la mayoría de cristianos (aunque hay algunas manzanas podridas en cada grupo).

Por alguna razón la gente esta teniendo la impresión equivocada sobre estas leyes estatales que buscan proteger la libertad religiosa. (No es que los medios de comunicación cada momento vaya a tergiversar una cuestión relacionada con la homosexualidad—todos sabemos lo justos y equilibrados que son.) Este gráfico muestra como trabajan estas leyes. Te darás cuenta que no permiten que las empresas nieguen a cualquier persona servicio en un establecimiento de venta. Nadie esta haciendo eso, y no se podría estar en el mundo de los negocios si haces eso por mucho tiempo. El mercado libre, se encargaría de ello. Por otra parte, aquellos que realmente siguen a Jesús quieren estar y servir en medio de aquellos que no creen como lo hizo Jesús. Nosotros simplemente no podemos promover eventos o ideas que van contra la enseñanza de Cristo sobre el matrimonio (Mateo 19:4).

La verdad es que las leyes no son espadas, sino más bien escudos. Y su intención es de proteger  a aquellos que forman parte de las religiones tradicionales de los de la religión del sexo, que les gustaría utilizar la espada de gobierno para obligar a los  tradicionalistas a participar en ceremonias que van en contra de su religión o su conciencia. En otras palabras, las leyes están diseñadas para prevenir la discriminación contra los tradicionalistas, no para permitirles discriminar contra las personas en la religión del sexo.

Estados Unidos tiene una larga historia de equilibrar con éxito una gran variedad de creencias religiosas y morales con otros intereses importantes. Por ejemplo, aun cuando el cumplimiento del servicio militar fue involuntario, se les daba suficiente libertad a que los objetores concienzudos quienes no quisieran llevar armas.  Si se le permite a la gente quedar exentos de defender al país— lo cual es la responsabilidad más importante de nuestro gobierno—sin duda se puede permitir a las personas que estén exentas de realizar ceremonias de las bodas  entre personas del mismo sexo!

¿Qué atractivo o interés tiene el gobierno en forzar a alguien a apoyar una boda entre personas del mismo sexo? No es que exista una escasez de personas dispuestas a hacerlo. Si una abuelita de 70 años la cual es una florista no quiere arreglar flores para tu boda del mismo sexo, ¿por qué no ir a una persona que estaría encantada de hacerlo? (¿es de verdad tan difícil de encontrar a una floristería gay?) ¿Por qué nunca escuchamos acerca de tradicionalistas demandando a los dueños de negocios gay por negarse a imprimir volantes contra el matrimonio gay? ¿Por qué es la “tolerancia” sólo una calle de un solo sentido para la religión del sexo?

¿Debería un proveedor de comida para eventos musulmán estar obligado a hacer una boda del mismo sexo? ¿Debería un fabricante de camisetas musulmán verse obligado a imprimir camisetas de orgullo gay o para aquellos que satirizan a Mahoma? (La religión del sexo preferiría que no usáramos a los musulmanes en nuestras preguntas, limitémonos a hablar de los Cristianos, por favor.)

No existe interés convincente del gobierno para forzar a un negocio a hacer una boda o imprimir algo que vaya en contra de sus creencias. Es por eso que la religión del sexo está distorsionando los hechos y hace berrinche para que el gobierno obligue a la gente a violar su conciencia. (Su enfoque me recuerda a los malos predicadores/pastores que escriben notas en los márgenes de su sermón: “lógica débil aquí—debo de golpear ¡púlpito!”) Al parecer, la religión del sexo simplemente no puede tolerar el hecho de que algunas personas no aceptan sus falsas doctrinas de fe.

Desearía que hubiese una posición de compromiso aquí, pero no la hay. Tenemos dos valores opuestos en conflicto directo. La religión del sexo valora la espada de la compulsión gubernamental sobre la libertad de religión y de conciencia. ¿Y tú?

 


Este artículo también está disponible en Inglés aquí: Sex is the New Religion

Sex is the new religion in America, and it’s a religion of the sword. That’s the real reason this controversy has risen in Indiana. A determined and vocal minority from the religion of sex is bullying and cutting down traditionalists who need a law that would allow them to be left alone. This clash of orthodoxies has opposing values with moralists on both sides demanding their rights.

One side says, “everyone must celebrate my same-sex marriage” (a moral position). And the other side says, “God or my conscience prevents me from doing so” (also a moral position). Can anyone see any middle ground here? There is none. So the question is, whose moral “right” will take precedence?

Governors in Indiana, Arkansas, and several other states see the need for protecting religious liberty for a very good reason—it is under attack. The scales have tipped decidedly against the free exercise of traditional religion—against the right of Christians, Muslims, Jews and anyone else who can’t celebrate the orthodoxy of the new religion.

Forget tolerance. This is well beyond tolerance. Now, if you don’t agree to celebrate same-sex marriage, believers in the religion of sex will commence an inquisition and, without a trial, punish you for heresy. That’s why this legislation is necessary. Florists, bakers, photographers, real estate agents, Internet CEOs, and speakers like myself have all discovered personally that the people who say they are fighting for “tolerance” are often the most intolerant. In the name of “inclusion and diversity,” those of us who have a diverse view are being excluded, and even fired and fined because we won’t violate our beliefs to satisfy the overbearing clergy of the religion of sex.

A few years ago Cisco and Bank of America fired me as a training consultant because I had conservative beliefs about sex and marriage even though my beliefs were never expressed on the job. When a homosexual manager at Cisco found out on the Internet that I had authored a book giving evidence that maintaining the natural definition of marriage would be best for society, he couldn’t tolerate me and demanded that I be fired. An HR executive canned me within hours without ever speaking to me. This happened despite the fact that the leadership and teambuilding programs I led always received high marks (even from the homosexual manager!).

While I’m probably in the minority, I believe that people have the right to choose with whom they do business. In other words, I support Cisco’s right to fire me. My problem, as I explained here, is that they falsely claimed to be “inclusive and diverse” when they are anything but that. Their orthodoxy is just as closed and narrow as the most rabid fundamentalist church.

My friends David and Jason Benham agree with freedom of association and the rights of businesses as well. When members of the religion of sex learned that the evangelical Benham brothers were violating orthodoxy by being pro-life and pro-natural marriage, an inquisition began to get the Benhams fired from their TV show. Executives from HGTV ultimately caved to the demands of the dogmatic priests and canceled the show, which was already in production. When Jason Benham told a TV reporter that HGTV had the right to fire them, the reporter’s jaw dropped. The Benhams are actually tolerant! So are most Christians (although there are some bad apples in every group).

Somehow people are getting the wrong impression about these state laws that seek to protect religious liberty. (Not that the media would ever misrepresent an issue related to homosexuality—we all know how fair and balanced they are.) This one graphic shows how these laws work. You’ll notice that they do not allow businesses to deny anyone service at a retail establishment. No one is doing that now, and you wouldn’t be in business very long if you did. The free market would see to it. Moreover, those who actually follow Jesus want to be with and serve unbelievers as Jesus did. We just can’t advocate events or ideas that go against Christ’s teaching on marriage (Mt. 19:4-6).

The truth is these laws are not swords but shields. They are intended to shield those in the traditional religions from those in the religion of sex who would like to use the sword of government to force the traditionalists to participate in ceremonies that go against their religion or conscience. In other words, the laws are designed to prevent discrimination against the traditionalists, not enable them to discriminate against those in the religion of sex.

America has a long history of successfully balancing a variety of religious and moral beliefs with other important interests. For example, even when military service was involuntary, we still made room for conscientious objectors who did not want to carry weapons. If we can allow people to exempt themselves from defending the country—which is the most important responsibility our government has—we can certainly allow people to exempt themselves from performing same-sex wedding ceremonies!

What compelling government interest is there to force someone to support a same-sex wedding? It’s not like there is a shortage of people willing to do them. If a 70-year-old grandmother who is a florist can’t arrange flowers at your same-sex wedding, why not just go to someone else who would be happy to do it? (Is it really that hard to find a gay florist?) Why don’t we ever hear about traditionalists suing gay business owners for refusing to print up anti-gay marriage fliers? Why is “tolerance” only a one-way street to the religion of sex?

Should a Muslim caterer be forced to do a same-sex wedding? Should a Muslim T-shirt maker be forced to print gay pride T-shirts or those that satirize Mohammad? (The religion of sex would prefer we don’t use Muslims in our questions; stick to Christians please.)

There is no compelling government interest to force a business to do a wedding or print up anything against their beliefs. That’s why the religion of sex is distorting the facts and throwing a temper tantrum to get a government to force people to violate their conscience. (Their approach reminds me of what bad preachers write in the margin of their sermon notes: “Logic weak here—pound pulpit!”) Apparently, the religion of sex just can’t tolerate the fact that some people won’t accept their false doctrines by faith.

I wish there was a compromise position here but there isn’t. We have two opposing values in direct conflict. The religion of sex values the sword of government compulsion over the freedom of religion and conscience. Do you?

 


Dr. Frank Turek (D.Min.) is an award-winning author and frequent college speaker who hosts a weekly TV show on DirectTV and a radio program that airs on 186 stations around the nation.  His books include I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist and Stealing from God:  Why atheists need God to make their case

Atheist Richard Dawkins has declared, “The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at the bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, and no good. Nothing but blind pitiless indifference… DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is, and we dance to its music.”

But Dawkins doesn’t act like he actually believes that. He recently affirmed a woman has the right to choose an abortion and asserted that it would be “immoral” to give birth to a baby with Down syndrome. According to Dawkins, the “right to choose” is a good thing and giving birth to Down syndrome children is a bad thing.

Well, which is it? Is there really good and evil, or are we just moist robots dancing to the music of our DNA?

Atheists like Dawkins are often ardent supporters of rights to abortion, same-sex marriage, taxpayer-provided healthcare, welfare, contraceptives, and several other entitlements. But who says those are rights? By what objective standard are abortion, same-sex marriage, same-sex adoption, taxpayer-provided healthcare, and the like, moral rights? There isn’t such a standard in the materialistic universe of atheism. So atheists must steal the grounds for objective moral rights from God while arguing that God doesn’t exist.

Now, I am not saying that you have to believe in God to be a good person or that atheists are immoral people. Some atheists live more moral lives than many Christians. I am also not saying that atheists don’t know morality. Everyone knows basic right and wrong whether they believe in God or not. In fact, that’s exactly what the Bible teaches (see Romans 2:14-15).

What I am saying is that atheists can’t justify morality. Atheists routinely confuse knowing what’s right with justifying what’s right. They say it’s right to love. I agree, but why is it right to love. Why are we obligated to do so? The issue isn’t how we know what’s Right, but why an authoritative standard of Rightness exists in the first place.

You may come to know about objective morality in many different ways: from parents, teachers, society, your conscience, etc. And you can know it while denying God exists. But that’s like saying you can know what a book says while denying there’s an author. Of course, you can do that, but there would be no book to know unless there was an author! In other words, atheists can know objective morality while denying God exists, but there would be no objective morality unless God exists.

If material nature is all that exists, which is what most atheist’s claim, then there is no such thing as an immaterial moral law.  Therefore, atheists must smuggle a moral standard into their materialistic system to get it to work, whether it’s “human flourishing,” the Golden Rule, doing what’s “best” for the most, etc. Such standards don’t exist in a materialistic universe where creatures just “dance” to the music of their DNA.

Atheists are caught in a dilemma. If God doesn’t exist, then everything is a matter of human opinion and objective moral rights don’t exist, including all those that atheists support. If God does exist, then objective moral rights exist. But those rights clearly don’t include cutting up babies in the womb, same-sex marriage, and their other invented absolutes contrary to every major religion and natural law.

Now, an atheist might say, “In our country, we have a constitution that the majority approved. We have no need to appeal to God.” True, you don’t have to appeal to God to write laws, but you do have to appeal to God if you want to ground them in anything other than human opinion. Otherwise, your “rights” are mere preferences that can be voted out of existence at the ballot box or at the whim of an activist judge or dictator. That’s why our Declaration of Independence grounds our rights in the Creator. It recognizes the fact that even if someone changes the constitution you still have certain rights because they come from God, not man-made law.

However, my point isn’t about how we should put objective God-given rights into human law. My point is, without God, there are no objective human rights. There is no right to abortion or same-sex marriage. Of course, without God, there is no right to life or natural marriage either!

In other words, no matter what side of the political aisle you’re on — no matter how passionate you believe in certain causes or rights — without God they aren’t really rights at all. Human rights amount to no more than your subjective preferences. So atheists can believe in and fight for rights to abortion, same-sex marriage, and taxpayer-provided entitlements, but they can’t justify them as truly being rights.

In fact, to be a consistent atheist — and this is going to sound outrageous, but it’s true — you can’t believe that anyone has ever actually changed the world for the better. Objectively good political or moral reform is impossibleif atheism is true. Which means you have to believe that everything Wilberforce, Lincoln, and Martin Luther King did to abolish slavery and racism wasn’t really good; it was just different. It means you have to believe that rescuing Jews from the ovens was not objectively better than murdering them. It means you have to believe that gay marriage is no better than gay bashing. (Since we’re all just “dancing to our DNA,” the gay basher was just born with the anti-gay gene. You can’t blame him!) It means you have to believe that loving people is no better than raping them.

You may be thinking, “That’s outrageous! Racism, murder, assault, and rape are objectively wrong, and people do have a right not to be harmed!” I agree. But that’s true only if God exists. In an atheistic universe, there is nothing objectively wrong with anything at any time. There are no limits. Anything goes. Which means to be a consistent atheist you have to believe in the outrageous.

If you are mad at me for these comments, then you agree with me in a very important sense. If you don’t like the behaviors and ideas I am advocating here, you are admitting that all behaviors and ideas are not equal — that some are closer to the real objective moral truth than others. But what is the source of that objective truth? It can’t be changeable, fallible human beings like you or me. It can only be God whose unchangeable nature is the ground of all moral value. That’s why atheists are unwittingly stealing from God whenever they claim a right to anything.

But how do we know that’s the Christian God? Doesn’t he do evil in the Old Testament? And what about the “separation of church and state”? Those are some of the many questions I address in my new book, Stealing from God: Why atheists need God to make their case, from which this column was adapted.

Atheists Steal Rights From God

 


Dr. Frank Turek (D.Min.) is an award-winning author and frequent college speaker who hosts a weekly TV show on DirectTV and a radio program that airs on 186 stations around the nation.  His books include I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist and Stealing from God:  Why atheists need God to make their case

It’s been fashionable lately for atheists to claim that atheism is “a lack a belief in God.” So when a theist comes along and says that atheists can’t support their worldview, some atheists will say something like, “Oh, we really don’t have a worldview. We just lack a belief in God. Since we’re not making any positive claims about the world, we don’t have any burden of proof to support atheism. We just find the arguments for God to be lacking.”

What’s lacking are good reasons to believe this new definition.

First, if atheism is merely a lack of belief in God, then atheism is just a claim about the atheist’s state of mind, not a claim about God’s existence. The “atheist” is simply saying, “I’m not psychologically convinced that God exists.” So what? That offers no evidence for or against God. Most people lack a belief in unguided evolution, yet no atheist would say that shows evolution is false.

Second, if atheism is merely a lack of belief in God, then rocks, trees, and outhouses are all “atheists” because they too lack a belief in God. It doesn’t take any brains to “lack a belief” in something. A true atheist believes that there is no God.

Third, most atheists don’t merely “lack a belief in God because they are constantly trying to explain the world by offering supposed alternatives to God. Atheists write book after book insisting that God is out of a job because of quantum theory, multiple universes, and evolution. While none of those atheistic arguments succeed in proving there is no God, they do prove that atheists don’t merely lack a belief in God — they believe in certain theories to explain reality without God.

They believe in those theories because atheism is a worldview with beliefs just as much as theism is a worldview with beliefs. (A “worldview” is a set of beliefs about the big questions in life such as: What is an ultimate reality? Who are we? What’s the meaning of life? How should we live? What’s our destiny? etc.) To claim that atheism is not a worldview is like saying anarchy is not really a political position. As Bo Jinn observes, “An anarchist might say that he simply ‘rejects politics,’ but he is still confronted with the inescapable problem of how human society is to organize itself, whether he likes the idea of someone being in charge or not.”

Likewise, atheists can say they just “reject God” but they are still confronted with the inescapable problem of how to explain ultimate reality. Just as anarchists affirm the positive belief that anarchy is the best way to organize society, atheists affirm the positive belief that atheistic materialism is the best way to explain ultimate reality.

In other words, atheists don’t “lack a belief” in materialism. They are not skeptical of materialism — they think it’s true! As Phillip Johnson said, “He who is a skeptic in one set of beliefs is a true believer in another set of beliefs.” Lacking a belief in God doesn’t automatically establish materialism any more than lacking a belief in atheism automatically establishes Christianity. No atheist would say that a Christian has made a good case because he “lacks a belief” in materialism!

Everyone has the burden of proof to support his or her position. Atheists must make a positive case that only material things exist. That’s why instead of debating “Does God exist?” I prefer to debate the question “What better explains reality: atheism or theism?” Then it’s obvious that both debaters have the burden of proof to support their position. Atheists can’t just identify what they think are deficiencies in theism. They must make a compelling case that everything has been caused by materials and consists only of materials, including:

• The beginning of the universe
• The fine-tuning of the universe
• The laws of nature
• The laws of logic
• The laws of mathematics
• Information (genetic code)
• Life
• Mind and consciousness
• Free will
• Objective morality
• Evil

It’s rare to find an atheist attempting to explain more than one or two of these things materially. How could they? How can laws be materials? The new atheists must provide reasons to support their belief that materialism is true. Simply lacking a belief in God doesn’t prove their worldview.

Finally, the “I merely lack a belief in God” definition leads to a contradictory result. As Dr. Richard Howe points out, “This definition of atheism entails the quirky conclusion that atheism is logically compatible with theism.” Here’s why: If lacking a belief in God is the definition of “atheism” — and not “there is no God” — then “atheism” is true even if God really exists. How is that reasonable?

We shouldn’t allow atheists to hide behind that lacking definition. A true atheist is someone who believes there is no God. And atheists have the burden of proof to show how materialism is true and reality can be explained without God.

 


Dr. Frank Turek (D.Min.) is an award-winning author and frequent college speaker who hosts a weekly TV show on DirectTV and a radio program that airs on 186 stations around the nation.  His books include I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist and Stealing from God:  Why atheists need God to make their case.

If Dr. Richard Dawkins is the atheist’s rock star of biology, Dr. Lawrence Krauss is the atheist’s rock star of physics (maybe only second to Stephen Hawking).  An engaging speaker and winsome personality, Dr. Krauss is a theoretical physicist and professor at Arizona State University. In his book A Universe from Nothing, Krauss seeks to answer the age-old question, “Why is there something rather than nothing” without reference to God.

Dr. Krauss says the cause of the universe is not God—it is “nothing.”  He cites happenings at the quantum level to dispense with the need for God.  (The quantum level is the world of the extremely small, subatomic in size.)

“One of the things about quantum mechanics is not only can nothing become something, nothing always becomes something,” says Dr. Krauss. “Nothing is unstable. Nothing will always produce something in quantum mechanics.”[i]

Now, whenever you hear something that just doesn’t sound right, you ought to ask the person making the claim, “What do you mean by that?” In this case, the precise question to Dr. Krauss would be, “What do you mean by ‘nothing’?”

It turns out that Dr. Krauss’ definition of “nothing” is not the “nothing” from which the universe originated.  The initial starting point of the universe was not the quantum vacuum that Dr. Krauss keeps referring to in his book. The starting point was non-being– literally no thing.  Since no thing isn’t anything, there are no properties to work with.  Nothing is, as Aristotle put it, what rocks dream about.  Unless someone powerful intervenes, the ancient maxim still stands:  out of nothing, nothing comes.

A quantum vacuum, on the other hand, is something—it consists of fields of fluctuating energy from which particles appear to pop in and out of existence.  Whether these particles are uncaused, or are caused but are merely unpredictable to us, is unknown.  There are ten different models of the quantum level, and no one knows which is correct.  What we do know is that, whatever is happening there, it is not creation out of nothing.  Moreover, the vacuum itself had a beginning and therefore needs a cause.

Lest you think I am mad to question the physics of Dr. Krauss, please note that I am more questioning his logic, which is required to do science of any kind.  Dr. Krauss is committing the logical fallacy known as equivocation—that is using the same word in an argument but with two different definitions.  The “nothing” in the title of Dr. Krauss’ book is not the “nothing” from which the universe came.

This critical distinction was not lost on fellow atheist Dr. David Albert.  A Ph.D. in theoretical physics, Dr. Albert is a Professor at Columbia University and author of the book Quantum Mechanics and Experience.  In his scathing review of Krauss’ book in the New York Times, Dr. Albert questions both Krauss’ logic and his physics.  He pulls no punches and even uses his fist to illustrate.

Commenting on Krauss’ central claim that particles emerging from the quantum vacuum are like creation out of nothing, Dr. Albert writes:

But that’s just not right. Relativistic-quantum-field-theoretical vacuum states — no less than giraffes or refrigerators or solar systems — are particular arrangements of elementary physical stuff. The true relativistic-quantum-field-­theoretical equivalent to there not being any physical stuff at all isn’t this or that particular arrangement of the fields — what it is (obviously, and ineluctably, and on the contrary) is the simple absence of the fields! The fact that some arrangements of fields happen to correspond to the existence of particles and some don’t is not a whit more mysterious than the fact that some of the possible arrangements of my fingers happen to correspond to the existence of a fist and some don’t. And the fact that particles can pop in and out of existence, over time, as those fields rearrange themselves, is not a whit more mysterious than the fact that fists can pop in and out of existence, over time, as my fingers rearrange themselves. And none of these poppings — if you look at them aright — amount to anything even remotely in the neighborhood of a creation from nothing (emphasis in the original).[ii]

Speaking of fists, Dr. Albert lands the knockout blow to Krauss’ entire thesis this way, “But all there is to say about this, as far as I can see, is that Krauss is dead wrong and his religious and philosophical critics are absolutely right.” (It’s important to note that Dr. Albert and Columbia University are not known for Christian fundamentalism.)

Now Dr. Krauss didn’t take all this lying down.  He got up off the canvas and fought back by calling Dr. Albert “a moronic philosopher.”[iii]

Well, that solves that then.  If the guy’s a moron, the non-moron must be right. Right?  Actually, on several occasions in this book, Dr. Krauss confuses even non-moronic readers when he admits Dr. Albert’s point in advance—namely, that the “nothing” Krauss is talking about is not exactly the nothing from which the universe came.  Dr. Krauss even puts his “nothing” in quotation marks like I just did.

In an interview, Krauss acknowledges that no matter how one defines “nothing,” the laws of physics are not nothing (sorry to keep using the word nothing, but there’s nothing else to use!).  And although he’s clearly annoyed doing so, Dr. Krauss eventually gets around to admitting that his “nothing” is actually something.

“Even if you accept this argument that nothing is not nothing,” he says, “you have to acknowledge that nothing is being used in a philosophical sense. But I don’t really give a damn about what ‘nothing’ means to philosophers; I care about the ‘nothing’ of reality. And if the ‘nothing’ of reality is full of stuff, then I’ll go with that.”[iv]

So if Dr. Krauss admits all this, why the bait and switch title: “A Universe from Nothing:  Why there is something rather than nothing”?  Why smuggle in the laws of physics and the quantum vacuum and then call it “nothing”?  Why diss philosophers who are only trying to bring the book’s assertions back to reality?

Dr. Krauss seems to think that philosophers are not talking about reality, when in fact, that’s exactly what philosophy is—the study of ultimate reality.  The problem for Krauss is two-fold.

First, reality is not merely physical stuff.  Since nature and the laws of physics themselves had a beginning, ultimate reality is beyond nature or supernatural.  So despite claiming to explain how the universe came from nothing, Krauss has explained nothing.

The second problem is a far more serious intellectual disease that infects the thinking of Krauss and several other prominent atheists as well.  This disease is so severe that it threatens the accuracy of the very science they seek to promote.  Krauss, like Dawkins and Hawking, are dismissive of philosophy.

Now, having studied a lot of wacky philosophy myself, I sympathize with them.  But the existence of wacky philosophy doesn’t discredit the existence of good philosophy any more than the existence of wacky science discredits the existence of good science.  While it is true that one can use bad philosophy, it is impossible to use no philosophy.

In fact—and this is the essential point—Krauss, Dawkins and the like can’t do science without philosophy.  While scientists are usually seeking to understand physical cause and effect, science itself is built on philosophical principles that are not physical themselves—they are beyond the physical (metaphysical). Those principles help the scientist make precise definitions and clear distinctions and then interpret all the relevant data rationally.

What exactly is relevant?  What exactly is rational?  What exactly is the best interpretation of the data –including what exactly is or isn’t “nothing”?  Those questions are all answered through the use of philosophy.  (Perhaps that’s why the “Ph.” in Ph.D. stands for “philosophy.”  The originators of advanced degrees knew that philosophy is the foundation of every area of inquiry.)

Einstein had an observation about the man of science.  He said, “The man of science is a poor philosopher.”  Unfortunately, if you abandon good philosophy you end up with bad science. And if you disdain all philosophy, as Krauss and company tend to do, then you put yourself in the self-defeating position of holding a philosophy that disdains all philosophy.  You can’t get away from philosophy.  It’s like logic.  To deny it is to use it.

In the end, despite the lofty promises of his book’s title, Dr. Krauss explains nothing about the ultimate origin of the universe.

Notes

[i] Opening statement of Lawrence Krauss in his debate with Dr. William Lane Craig, http://www.reasonablefaith.org/the-craig-krauss-debate-at-north-carolina-state-university#ixzz2bwKlOhe1.  See also Dr. Krauss’ book, A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing, Atria Books, 2012,Chapter 10.

[ii] David Albert, “On the Origin of Everything ‘A Universe From Nothing,’ by Lawrence M. Krauss,” The New York Times, March 23, 2012, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/a-universe-from-nothing-by-lawrence-m-krauss.html?_r=0.

[iii] Ross Anderson, “Has Physics Made Philosophy and Religion Obsolete?”. The Atlantic, April 2012, http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/print/2012/04/has-physics-made-philosophy-and-religion-obsolete/256203/.

[iv] Ross Anderson, Ibid.

Recommended resources related to the topic:

God’s Crime Scene: Cold-Case…Evidence for a Divinely Created Universe (Paperback), (Mp4 Download), and (DVD Set) by J. Warner Wallace

God’s Crime Scene: The Case for God’s Existence from the Appearance of Design (mp4 Download Set) by J. Warner Wallace 

God’s Crime Scene: The Case for God’s Existence from the Appearance of Design in Biology DVD Set by J. Warner Wallace 

What is God Like? Look to the Heavens by Dr. Frank Turek (DVD and Mp4

I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist (Paperback), and (Sermon) by Norman Geisler 

 


Dr. Frank Turek (D.Min.) is an award-winning author and frequent college speaker who hosts a weekly TV show on DirectTV and a radio program that airs on 186 stations around the nation.  His books include I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist and Stealing from God:  Why atheists need God to make their case

When I hear Christians saying we ought not get involved in politics but just “preach the Gospel,” I show them this satellite picture of the Korean peninsula.  Here we see a homogenous population of mostly Koreans separated by a well-fortified border.  South Korea is full of freedom, food and productivity—it’s one of the most Christianized countries in the world.  North Korea is a concentration camp.   They have no freedom, no food, and very little Christianity.

What’s the primary reason for the stark difference between these two countries? Politics. The South politically allows freedom, while the North does not.

Ironically, Christians who shun politics to supposedly advance the Gospel are actually allowing others to stop the Gospel.  How so?  Because politics and law affects one’s ability to preach the Gospel!  If you think otherwise, visit some of the countries I have visited—Iran, Saudi Arabia and China.  You cannot legally “preach the Gospel” in those countries—or practice other aspects of your religion freely—because politically they’ve ruled it out as they have in North Korea.

In fact, politics affects virtually every area of your life through the laws made by government.  So if you care about your family, business, church, school, children, money, property, home, security, healthcare, safety, freedom, and your ability to “preach the Gospel,” then you should care about politics.

Politics affects everything, which is why leaders throughout the Bible—including Joseph, Moses, Daniel, Nehemiah, Mordecai, Esther, John the Baptist, and Paul— “went political” to influence civil governments to govern morally.  Even Jesus himself got involved in politics when he publically chastised the Pharisees—the religious and political leaders of Israel—for neglecting “the more important matters of the law.”

Unfortunately, our lawmakers today are doing the same thing.   They use the force of law tell us what light bulbs to use and what the school lunch menu should be, but neglect to put any restrictions on the taking of human life by abortion!  What could be more important than life? The right to life is the right to all other rights.  If you don’t have life, you don’t have anything.

But what can Christians do?  After all, we can’t legislate morality, can we?  News flash: All laws legislate morality!  Morality is about right and wrong and all laws declare one behavior right and the opposite behavior wrong. So the question is not whether we can legislate morality, but “Whose morality will we legislate?”

The answer our Founding Fathers gave was the “self-evident” morality given to us by our Creator—the same Moral Law that the apostle Paul said that all people have “written on their hearts.” In other words, not my morality or your morality, but the morality—the one we inherited not the one we invented.  (This doesn’t mean that every moral or political issue has clear right and wrong answers.  It only means that “the more important matters of the law” – life, marriage and religious freedom for example—do have clear answers that we should heed.)

Notice our Founders did not have to establish a particular denomination or force religious practice in order to legislate a moral code.  Our country justifies moral rights with theism, but does not require its citizens to acknowledge or practice theism. That’s why Chris Matthews and other liberals are wrong when they charge that Christians are trying to impose a “theocracy” or violate the “separation of Church and State.”  They fail to distinguish between religion and morality.

Broadly defined, religion involves our duty to God while morality involves our duty to one another. Our lawmakers are not telling people how, when, or if to go to church—that would be legislating religion. But lawmakers cannot avoid telling people how they should treat one another— that is legislating morality, and that is what all laws do.

Opposition to abortion or same-sex marriage, for example, does not entail the establishment of a “theocracy.” Churches and the Bible also teach that murder, theft, and child abuse are wrong, but no one says laws prohibiting such acts establish a theocracy or are a violation of the “separation of church and state.” In fact, if the government could not pass laws consistent with church or biblical teachings, then all criminal laws would have to be overturned because they are all in some way consistent with at least one of the Ten Commandments.

Second, there are churches on both sides of these issues. In other words, some liberal churches, contrary to scripture, actually support abortion and same-sex marriage. So if church-supported positions could not be put into law, then we could not have laws either way on abortion or same-sex marriage.  Absurd.

Finally, most proponents of same-sex marriage argue as if they have some kind of moral right to having their relationships endorsed by the state. They claim that they don’t have “equal rights” or that they are being “discriminated” against.  Likewise, abortion advocates claim they have a moral “right” to choose an abortion.  None of these claims are true, as I have explained elsewhere.  Nevertheless, their arguments, while flawed, expose the fact that independent of religion they seek to legislate their morality rather than the morality.

If you have a problem with the morality, don’t blame me. I didn’t make it up. I didn’t make up the fact that abortion is wrong, that men are not designed for other men, or that natural marriage is the foundation of a civilized society. Those unchangeable objective truths about reality are examples of the “Laws of Nature” from “Nature’s God,” as the Declaration of Independence puts it, and we only hurt others and ourselves by suppressing those truths and legislating immoral laws.

When we fail to legislate morally, others impose immorality.  For example, totalitarian political correctness is already imposed in states such as Massachusetts where the implications of same-sex marriage override the religious liberties of businesses, charities and even parents.  As documented here and illustrated here, same sex marriage prevents you from running your business, educating your children, or practicing your religion in accord with your Conscience.  And soon, as is the case in Canada, you may not be able to merely speak Biblically about homosexual behavior. That is because those who say they are fighting for “tolerance” are often the most intolerant.

Unless Christians begin to influence politics and the culture more significantly, we will continue to lose the very freedoms that enable us to live according to our beliefs and spread the Gospel all over the world.  That’s why you should not vote for candidates because of their race or religion, but because they will govern morally on the more important matters of the law—life, marriage and religious freedom. (To see where all the major candidates stand visit the non-partisan website http://www.ontheissues.org.)

If you are a pastor who is worried about your tax-exempt status: 1) you have more freedom than you think to speak on political and moral issues from the pulpit; 2) if you do not speak up for truth now, you will soon lose your freedom to speak for anything, including the Gospel; and 3) you are called to be salt and light, not tax-exempt.

Evangelical author Skye Jethani makes the insightful observation that some so-called Christians and some atheists have quite a bit in common when it comes to control.  While some atheists (like Hitchens and Dawkins) want control without God, some evangelicals want control over God.  He writes:

“The great irony is that while claiming submission to God, those advocating a life under God are actually seeking control over him through their religiosity. Pray X, sacrifice Y, avoid Z, and God’s blessings are guaranteed. They have reduced God to a predictable, controllable, even contemptible formula. Some evangelicals condemn the atheists for exalting themselves over God without realizing they are guilty of the same sin by other means.”

Tozer said the most important thought you have is the thought you have when you hear the word “God.”  Indeed, many people are worshiping or rejecting a God of their own making.  They have false notions of the one true God–He’s either a finite, moral monster who needs a cause (Dawkins and Hitchens) or a cosmic candyman who owes us if we behave a certain way (the “Word of Faith” believer).  They set up a straw God and then easily knock him over or loose their faith when he falls down and doesn’t come through.  That’s why I often ask people who don’t believe in God, or who are disappointed with God, “What kind of God don’t you believe in?” After they describe their God, the response is often, “I don’t believe in that God either.”

Jethani’s entire article is worth the read here.

Back in 1993, archaeologists found an inscription in the Israeli town of Dan bearing the name of the Hebrew King David.  This put to rest the theory that the David of the Bible was just a myth.  Now at least one archaeologist is claiming that Jerusalem was fortified at the time of David lending further credence to the Bible’s account that David was indeed a King. Here is the AP article explaining her findings with the obligatory opinion of someone who disagrees:

 

JERUSALEM – An Israeli archaeologist said Monday that ancient fortifications recently excavated in Jerusalem date back 3,000 years to the time of King Solomon and support the biblical narrative about the era.

If the age of the wall is correct, the finding would be an indication that Jerusalem was home to a strong central government that had the resources and manpower needed to build massive fortifications in the 10th century B.C.

That’s a key point of dispute among scholars, because it would match the Bible’s account that the Hebrew kings David and Solomon ruled from Jerusalem around that time.

While some Holy Land archaeologists support that version of history — including the archaeologist behind the dig, Eilat Mazar — others posit that David’s monarchy was largely mythical and that there was no strong government to speak of in that era.

Speaking to reporters at the site Monday, Mazar, from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, called her find “the most significant construction we have from First Temple days in Israel.”

“It means that at that time, the 10th century, in Jerusalem there was a regime capable of carrying out such construction,” she said.

Based on what she believes to be the age of the fortifications and their location, she suggested it was built by Solomon, David’s son, and mentioned in the Book of Kings.

The fortifications, including a monumental gatehouse and a 77-yard (70-meter) long section of an ancient wall, are located just outside the present-day walls of Jerusalem’s Old City, next to the holy compound known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary. According to the Old Testament, it was Solomon who built the first Jewish Temple on the site.

That temple was destroyed by Babylonians, rebuilt, renovated by King Herod 2,000 years ago and then destroyed again by Roman legions in 70 A.D. The compound now houses two important Islamic buildings, the golden-capped Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque.

Archaeologists have excavated the fortifications in the past, first in the 1860s and most recently in the 1980s. But Mazar claimed her dig was the first complete excavation and the first to turn up strong evidence for the wall’s age: a large number of pottery shards, which archaeologists often use to figure out the age of findings.

Aren Maeir, an archaeology professor at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, said he has yet to see evidence that the fortifications are as old as Mazar claims. There are remains from the 10th century in Jerusalem, he said, but proof of a strong, centralized kingdom at that time remains “tenuous.”

While some see the biblical account of the kingdom of David and Solomon as accurate and others reject it entirely, Maeir said the truth was likely somewhere in the middle.

“There’s a kernel of historicity in the story of the kingdom of David,” he said.