What Will We Experience in Heaven

What Will We Experience in Heaven?

What Will We Experience in HeavenThere are good reasons to believe we are more than simple material beings. If we are living souls (as described in Christian Scripture), there’s no reason to think our true immaterial nature will be limited by the fate of our physical bodies. Our expectations of justice, satisfaction and joy (given God’s holy and perfect nature) provide us with good reasons to expect a life beyond this one. If God has infinite power, it’s reasonable to believe He has the power to eliminate imperfection. God’s perfection must certainly characterize the nature of Heaven, and the Bible describes how each of us, when united with God, will be transformed and made complete, in spite of our present earthly imperfections.

We Will Have Perfect Knowledge
Someday we are going to be in the presence of the one who understand everything. He’ll be available to answer questions. We won’t be frustrated and straining to understand and believe. We’ll be at peace with the truth:

1 Corinthians 13:9-12
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

We Will Be in the Presence of Perfect Glory
Glory is a word used often in the Bible, but we sometime read right past it. Glory expresses perfect beauty, excellence and greatness. All of us appreciate beauty and excellence in our physical world because we are created in the image of God, who is not only the source of glory, but the ultimate example of glory:

Matthew 24:30
“…and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.”

Matthew 25:31
“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.”

Mark 8:38
“For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

We Will Enjoy Perfect Rest
Why do we love to sleep in on our days off? Is it just because we are lazy? Or is it more because we become so weary of the struggles of life? Many of us love to work, achieve and be productive, but also understand life’s burdens can simply wear us out. God promises Heaven will be a place of rest. Not a place that lacks work, but a place where the burdens and struggles of life will be lifted. We won’t have to strain to be ‘good’, struggle to maintain Godly relationships or behaviors. Our character will be changed and our struggles will be lifted:

Hebrews 4:9-11
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall through following the same example of disobedience.

We Will Relish in Perfect Work
Sometimes when we hear “work”, we think “labor”; a difficult and toilsome burden we must accept to make a living and survive. At the same time, most of us participate in challenging activities requiring great exertion, yet fail to see these efforts as laborious. Our hobbies are often as physically or mentally demanding as our jobs, but they don’t seem like work to us. We love our recreational efforts, but sometimes hate our vocational labors. We find great significance and satisfaction in some efforts, less in others. God designed us to work in satisfying ways, and Heaven is the place where this will be perfected. Jesus often described Heaven with parables involving work and responsibility:

Luke 19:17
‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

We Will Participate in Perfect Worship
Have you ever had difficulty focusing on worship at church? Have you ever struggled to keep your mind and heart in the right place? Have you ever wondered why you should worship God in the first place? Well none of that will be a problem in Heaven, where the mere presence of God will provoke a response of worship:

Isaiah 6:3
And one called out to another and said, “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts, the whole earth is full of His glory.”

We Will Share in Perfect Fellowship
Most of us, when given the chance, love to hang out with friends. That’s because we were created in the image of the triune God who (by His very nature) is in relationship with the other persons of the Godhead at all times. Our God is innately and characteristically relational. That’s why we are driven toward relationships. And heaven is the place where this aspect of our nature will be fully realized:

Hebrews 12:22 -24
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

We Will Receive Perfect Recognition
Finally, Heaven is a place where each of us will be recognized and rewarded by God. Ever notice how driven we are here on earth for the recognition and praise of our peers? Heaven is the place where our intrinsic desire is finally satisfied. Everyone will be completely satisfied with the recognition and reward they will receive from the King:

Luke 19:15-19
“He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it. The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’ ‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’ The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’ His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

Heaven is the place where all of our basic instincts and drives will finally make sense. We are driven toward knowledge, we long for beauty and excellence, we desire rest and peace, we find ourselves worshipping something in our temporal environment, we seek satisfying and significant work, we desire the intimacy of close relationships, and we strive for recognition and praise. Why are we wired to seek the things we find so elusive in this life? The answer is simple: We are designed in the image of God, but are not yet in the presence of God. We are not yet complete. Passing through this imperfect world, we are on our way to perfection; to the place where all our desires and instincts will finally make sense and be satisfied.

J. Warner Wallace is a Cold-Case Detective, a Christian Case Maker, and the author of Cold-Case Christianity and ALIVE

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47 replies
  1. toby says:

    Where’s the mystery? Where’s the challenge? You suddenly know everything. BORING. Living is thrilling because of challenges and searching out what you do not know. Heaven sounds like an eternity of dull, of always knowing what hand of cards you’ll be dealt, of doing nothing but being in the presence of someone you always suck up to.

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  2. Charles says:

    “Where’s the mystery? Where’s the challenge? You suddenly know everything.”

    Have you considered that there may be challenges waiting that we could never possibly conceive in our present physical state? Could you imagine a place where there are new and different physics that even the layperson could comprehend and possibly even manipulate? If, in a glorified body such as the resurrected Christ, we were pure in our thoughts, emotions and motivations there are, perhaps, innumerable challenges and mysteries we’ve yet to encounter.

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  3. moose says:

    charles or mr wallace, if you believe this magical fantasyland of heaven is real, can you describe in detail? is it an actual place? do you have a body, or a soul? if so what is a soul? what do you do in heaven? do you just worship “god” and do nothing else? if all you do is worship “god” what is so great about it?

    can you give any real evidence that this great paradise is real, not philosophy or what an old holy book claims, but real evidence?

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  4. Charles says:

    “Or maybe . . . you’re just making stuff up.”

    Its not about “making stuff up”; its about faith, hope and charity.

    I am sorry if you lack any or all of these attributes and I truly wish the best for you. However; the information has been available for centuries. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I feel as though some skeptics like you guys often ask questions out of sheer satirical motivation without the least bit of seriousness. Perhaps it is merely for poking fun at “those” people or for more nefarious reasons; I don’t know. But; the fact is we give answers for the faith we have. Real, legitemate and reasonable answers yet you continue to mock. If there is any shred of seriousness to your questions I, for one, would be happy to ablige you.

    “what is so great about it?”

    If you seriously want to know then read the NT. All I can say is; yes, we look forward to having “glorified bodies”. The Bible also speaks of a “New Heaven and a new earth” as our present abode will “pass away”. As far as what to do in Heaven there are a few things to consider.
    1. Realization of the magnitude of who God is
    2. The possibility of new or different physics.
    3. Presently incomprehensible concepts and technologies being discovered
    4. Heightened consciousness, sensabilities and awareness, Pure Love as opposed to misplaced lusts and affections.

    These are just a few things to consider when contemplating “Heaven”.

    “can you give any real evidence…”

    If you’re looking for empirical, natural world evidence then, frankly, no. Like I said previously; its about faith, hope and charity. There is, however, enough evidence for the faith I hold and in my faith I have hope for the promises of God and by those promises I learn a great deal about humility and esteeming others greater than myself through our Love (charity) for God and humanity.

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    • moose says:

      charles–why should anyone trust the nt to tell us the truth about anything? or anything in the holy bible for that matter? you listed 4 things but gave nothing specific.

      it’s not about mocking, just wanting real answers from those who claim this great paradise is real.

      you admit there is no empirical evidence–then why should anyone believe it?

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  5. Terry L says:

    is there football or baseball in heaven?

    I like to think so… without the injuries! YAY! I get to play again! ;)

    Where’s the mystery? Where’s the challenge? You suddenly know everything.

    Who’s making the claim that we will know “everything” in Heaven?

    The perfection in Heaven does not imply that we will be able to do everything perfectly. It includes moral perfection, and I believe physical perfection… meaning that our new bodies cannot be harmed and will never grow sick or old. But, it doesn’t mean that I’ll suddenly be able to take on Michael Jordan (even in his CURRENT body) one-on-one in basketball and mop the court with him.

    But… I’ll have all eternity to practice! See me in about a million years, and that story might be different! ;)

    “can you give any real evidence…”

    If you’re looking for empirical, natural world evidence then, frankly, no.

    The closest one can come is the evidence from desire, as C.S. Lewis put it. I don’t have a copy of “Mere Christianity” in front of me, so I can’t quote it, but in essence he says this:

    We thirst, and we live in a universe with water. We hunger, and we find food. We desire rest, and we find ourselves capable of sleep. In short, we find ourselves in a universe capable of fulfilling many of our desires.

    “Easily explainable”, the atheist says. “Because we evolved in this universe, our desires evolved in this universe also. It makes sense that these desires would be met.” And I agree. BUT…

    What that cannot explain is the desires we have for things not available in an strictly material universe: e.g. meaning, eternal life, perfect health, goodness, perfect love, etc. Evolution should have never produced a desire for something that this universe cannot fulfil–there’s no evolutionary advantage conferred on an organism because it desires meaning.

    But as these desires cannot be met in this life, perhaps those desires are meant to cause us to look beyond this life… to not be so complacent here where we’re only passing through, and to look toward our real home.

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    • Stephen B says:

      “Who’s making the claim that we will know “everything” in Heaven?”

      Mr Wallace in the blog above:
      “We Will Have Perfect Knowledge
      Someday we are going to be in the presence of the one who understand everything. He’ll be available to answer questions. We won’t be frustrated and straining to understand and believe.”

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  6. Terry L says:

    can you give any real evidence that this great paradise is real, not philosophy or what an old holy book claims, but real evidence?

    I’m curious… why do you reject philosophical evidence?

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  7. Terry L says:

    “Who’s making the claim that we will know “everything” in Heaven?”

    Mr Wallace in the blog above:
    “We Will Have Perfect Knowledge
    Someday we are going to be in the presence of the one who understand everything. He’ll be available to answer questions.

    Read carefully… why would we have any questions if we already knew everything?

    And that doesn’t mean that God will answer every question just because he is available. The answer might be, “Go find out for yourself!”

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  8. Charles says:

    Just something else I think we need to realize is that perfection within the Christian context does not have as much to do with aesthetics or performance as it does with purity. Physical and mental enhancement are attributes that we believe we will have but not the direct reason for Heaven. With that in mind think of how “adulterated” our world is and consider how sin is the impure dross that needs to be extracted and discarded in order to restore the harmonic order God created.

    And; before anyone suggests I am speaking of ethnic cleansing or genocide, I just want to be clear that I am speaking about “sin cleansing” as perfection requires nothing less than perfection otherwise it wouldn’t be perfection; right? Hence why we believe Yehashua to be the only mediator between God and humanity because as God he was pure and sinless yet bore our sinful nature upon his human flesh.

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    • Martin says:

      //With that in mind think of how ‘adulterated’ our world is and consider how sin is the impure dross that needs to be extracted and discarded in order to restore the harmonic order God created.//

      What will keep heaven from becoming “adulterated” just like the world supposedly is now?

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  9. Martin says:

    //With that in mind think of how ‘adulterated’ our world is and consider how sin is the impure dross that needs to be extracted and discarded in order to restore the harmonic order God created.//

    What will keep heaven from becoming “adulterated” as the world supposedly is now?

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  10. Robert says:

    As Chris Hitchens pointed out, the Christian heaven is just like North Korea. Except Korea is real. The belief in heaven is in my opinion, the dumbest belief there is.

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  11. Charles says:

    “What will keep heaven from becoming “adulterated” just like the world supposedly is now?

    No sin. We can believe, hope and strive for a world of discovery, mutual love and respect, joy and satisfaction without war, disease, murder, hatred, contempt, jealousy, greed, and the list of negatives goes on. That is what “Heaven” about. The general connotation of just sitting around thumbing a harp and singing “cumbiyah” is unrealistic even in the Christian sense and is the stuff of commercialized fantasy.

    These things should have never entered our world and they have caused every natural system to prematurely decline (increases in disease and pollution, poverty, crime even declining ecosystems and global warming can be attributed as effects of sin). I think of how far more advanced we might be as a world population if these things hadn’t hindered us from focusing on what is good and pure.

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      • Louie says:

        I think it was “heaven on earth” at creation, when only Adam and Eve were here. It seems like God’s will was being done on Earth at that time. Then satan appeared and tricked the woman. So, perhaps the key to it is that satan will not have a presence in heaven? That seems like the major difference between then and now.

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    • Martin says:

      Sin seems to operate independently of God’s will. How will God keep sin from happening in the future if he has already shown that he was powerless to do so in the past?

      What will be the significant difference between what heaven will be and what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden?

      “I think of how far more advanced we might be as a world population if these things hadn’t hindered us from focusing on what is good and pure.”

      I think of how a world without death and disease would quickly become unsustainable due to runaway population growth.

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      • Louie says:

        The main difference I find is that satan and his buddies were driven out of heaven, but are still allowed to roam around earth. As far as over population goes, God is fine with that, since it was a command he gave them after creation. “Be fertile, and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it.” is what he said if memory serves.

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  12. moose says:

    charles-if this great paradise of “heaven” is real, would it be possible for “god” to just skip the whole life on earth thing altogether? why not just create “heaven”, create a bunch of humans and bring them all to heaven and skip life on earth? i can probably guess what your answer will be.

    i’m still curious though–are there things in heaven like football, baseball, copenhagen, single women, a good gym to work out, wendys, burger king, applebees, outback steakhouse, etc, etc–if so-sign me up

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  13. Charles says:

    “….why isn’t it possible on earth?”

    It is. This is what the Lord’s prayer is about. (Matt. 6:9-13)
    We are supposed to constantly pray that the things in the earth be as consistent and harmonious as it is in Heaven.

    “i can probably guess what your answer will be.”

    Ok. What do you think my answer would be?

    “…….are there things in heaven like football, baseball, copenhagen, single women, a good gym to work out, wendys, burger king, applebees, outback steakhouse, etc, etc–if so-sign me up”

    As lighthearted and inviting as that sounds what we are anticipating is much greater than anything currently in place.

    “The worst sin is promoting the Christian religion”

    Robert,
    In a way; I agree. Some Christians may disagree with me but I’ll continue to say that religion is not something God desires for us. “Adam and Eve” didn’t have a “religion”. Yehashua’s views of religion were far different (I would say polar opposite) than the religion of the Jews and so called “righteousness” of the Pharisees. The sin of religion is the pride that comes from self righteousness and focus on personal holiness.

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    • moose says:

      charles “what we are anticipating is much greater than anything currently in place” ok then describe in detail what this great paradise is. what exactly do you do? how do you spend your time?

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  14. Charles says:

    “ok then describe in detail what this great paradise is. what exactly do you do? how do you spend your time?”

    How do you expect a person to “describe in detail” something they haven’t experienced? There are promises within Scripture with clues but we hope for these promises in light of what the Life of Christ reveals.

    When Yehashua was resurrected the Scripture says that He ate and conversed with people, He also presented His wounds to the disciples so, apparently, there is a physical body and conciousness. Now I assume conciousness and physics will be heightened and advanced which brings forth all sorts of possibilities. So I suppose one could create their own fastfood chain or sports franchise or whatever. There’s no limit to those possibilities but beyond that there could be some new physics or elevated physical realm where only an enhanced conciousness could navigate and make sense of it. Who knows?

    I think what you are trying to do is mock the hope that we have by continuing to ask for “detailed descriptions” and “empirical evidence” of things that have no easy explanation. Yes, we have hope and we strive but that is because without God there is really nothing to hope or strive for save mere survival. This also happens to be what zombies do; simply survive, well as a Christian I believe life is worth living.

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  15. Terry L says:

    i’m still curious though–are there things in heaven like football, baseball, copenhagen, single women, a good gym to work out, wendys, burger king, applebees, outback steakhouse, etc, etc–if so-sign me up

    Actually, all women in Heaven are single. Not kidding!

    But you won’t be able to lust after them because lust cannot enter in. If that’s your reason for asking, then you’ll be disappointed.

    Concerning the gym… you might not even have the need to work out, but I’m sure you’ll be able to if you want.

    And the food there will most likely make Ruth’s Chris Steak House seem like hospital food on Mystery Meat Monday!

    I only wish you were serious when you say, “Sign me up”. Whatever you’re looking for, you’ll find there. But to get there, you have to find Jesus here.

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    • moose says:

      terry-”but to get there, you have to find jesus here” so i have to find a fictional character. how do i do that? where is he hiding? if i find him, what do i do with him?

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  16. Charles says:

    “……runaway population growth”

    Heaven is eternal so sustainability shouldn’t pose a problem. We sell ourselves short when we try to anthropomorphize a places beyond our comprehension. Things like natural resources in a place such as Heaven need not ever run out.

    Actually, earth could have remained a paradise had humans not been so polluted with pride, greed and other sins we probably wouldn’t have a problem with sustainability or runaway population growth either.

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    • Martin says:

      “……runaway population growth” on Earth, not heaven. I don’t imagine there’ll be any population growth in heaven.

      You didn’t actually address the population growth question. You stated “earth could have remained a paradise had humans not been so polluted with pride, greed and other sins we probably wouldn’t have a problem with sustainability or runaway population growth either.”

      No death or disease means runaway population growth, assuming people (and all other animal species) would engage in producing offspring. Sin has nothing to do with sustainability in this case. Earth’s resources can only go so far.

      Also, you didn’t address the question of how God would/could keep heaven from becoming corrupt. If sin and corruption made their way into the Garden of Eden, what will prevent them from infiltrating heaven as well?

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      • Martin says:

        …”We sell ourselves short when we try to anthropomorphize a places beyond our comprehension. Things like natural resources in a place such as Heaven need not ever run out. ”

        Did you just anthropomorphize heaven by assuming things like “natural resources” will even exist?

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        • Charles says:

          I said, “Things like natural resources…” in a relational sense; so in a way I did anthropomorphize. However; it was only to get a conceptual understanding. Maybe I should have said “super natural resources” for point clarity.

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      • Charles says:

        Martin,
        Regarding the over growth of the population it is the contention of Christians that there won’t be a need for sexual reproduction. The population of Heaven will be what it is. Now I know there are some deep questions that are brought up as a result of this thinking and, honestly, I don’t have all the answers. However; John the Revelator points out in the Book of Revelations that he saw a “New Heaven and a New Earth” to which we have no clue to their physics; but, I speculate would facilitate and sustain all of its inhabitants.

        As to what would keep sin from entering Heaven; there would be no more demonic influence. We look forward to purity, humility and truth in Heaven as opposed to things such as pride, lies, greed, envy, lust and hatred.

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        • Martin says:

          Charles – I wouldn’t think that sexual reproduction would exist in heaven, rather the question of population growth was posed in the Earthly context with regard to the Garden of Eden… not in heaven. Runaway population growth is a certainty in a world without death and disease, and life would eventually become unsustainable.

          Had Adam and Eve not sinned, the destruction of humanity (and all other animal species) would have been guaranteed due to the eventual and inevitable depletion of resources.

          If what separates heaven from the Garden of Eden is the lack of demonic influence, this means that God intentionally infused the Garden of Eden with said demonic influence, does it not?

          I usually hear that argument made that free will is dependent upon the ability to knowingly commit a sinful act. Are you saying that without the presence of a demonic influence, humanity is unable (or at least unlikely) to sin?

          If unable to sin in heaven, the concept of free will is destroyed.
          If unlikely to sin, heaven is corruptible as was the Garden of Eden.

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          • Louie says:

            Lets end the over population talk. It is not a problem for Christians since God commanded Adam & Eve to be fertile, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. The issue of sin in heaven, I would liken it to sitting in front of someone you hold in extreme high regard and deciding to spit in their face. Only multiplied a million times. You would not even contemplate doing it. Especially without satan whispering in your ear.

          • Martin says:

            Louie – To simply wave off the “over population talk” is to willfully ignore the inherent problem that lies within the concept of no death and disease in the Garden of Eden. To say that ” It is not a problem for Christians since God commanded Adam & Eve to be fertile, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it.” is to offer a wholly off-based answer. The question is not whether or not life on Earth would multiply. As you point out, God commanded procreation. Rather, the question is how to avoid the inevitable and disastrous strain on the environment cause by rampant over population.

            Your response to the issue of sin in heaven is equally insufficient in that I does not address whether or not sin will be possible in heaven. And if sin is impossible in heaven, how can free will remain intact?

            Your analogy doesn’t rule out the possibility of sin. It only says it is unlikely. This seems to be a relatively weak position to hold as it leaves open the possibility for a corrupt heaven.

            Also, your analogy has already happened when Lucifer sat before God and spat in his face. The difference between Lucifer having taking that action and any one human taking it in the future is infinitely negligible.

            Lucifer didn’t have Satan whispering in his ear.

          • Louie says:

            Martin:
            I disagree with you. God told them to subdue it, so if they populated to the point that there was nothing left, then they did what they were told. You are assuming God leaves everyone there for all eternity, but the bible does not say one way or the other he only says to subdue it. And hey, if God “changed his mind about subdueing the world” and never took anyone off the planet; I’m thinking that the God who made everything from nothing could handle replenishing natural resources as easily as you and I type.

            As for sin and free will, I have to hand it to you, you know the bible well. You answered your own question, there is free will in heaven and sin is possible, for sure with angels anyway. I am not an expert on angels, but I know they are different than the human spirit. They obviously did have the right to choose, and some were booted out. So, aparently you can get booted out of heaven once your in? God does not say one way or the other. I’m glad we had this chat, it has made me think about some things.

  17. Robert says:

    Actually the Bible says that we don’t go to heaven. Heaven is going to come here in the form of Jerusalem all decked out like a giant Emerald City when the magical Wizard of Christianity returns. Then all of those who found it impossible to believe the Christian story will be punished for the horrible, unforgivable crime of unbelief with a fate far worse than a thousand deaths by the kind and merciful God of Christianity.

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    • Louie says:

      Yeah, that’s more or less it. Makes one want to get your life in order. However, if you don’t believe any of it is true, why bother with it at all.

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  18. Charles says:

    Before we address the question of it being unlikely to sin or having an inability to sin I think we should come to an understanding of what sin is. To the Christian sin is literally “missing the mark”. Sin is likened to a trained archer aiming at a target, firing and intentionally missing the bull’s eye in opposition of the Trainer. In other words; we all are capable of keeping God’s law and doing God’s will. Well; you might ask, what is God’s will? God’s will is Yehashua ha Meshiach. John chapter 1 explains this in terms of Yehashua being God’s idea; or rather, logic (logos) of human life (hence; the second Adam).

    The life of Christ was a virtually effortless endeavor because of purity. That is; purity of mind, body and Spirit and all focused on the Creator which gave Yehashua power on earth to forgive, heal, deliver and so on. So; purity is Biblically equated to perfection. It has nothing to do with merit, performance or physical perception but these things are sourced from purity. Think of what we see in nature. This planet’s bio-systems along with the environment and ecosystems bring forth the most breathtaking landscapes (and seascapes) and do so without any help from humanity. Yet; the harmony and beauty that exists is undeniable. When man decided that he would create his own morals and live by his own code this purity became adulterated and focus on his Creator was severed. This was “missing the mark”.

    So with that established we can begin to understand that Heaven on earth is attainable but the stain of sin has to be sloughed off and disposed of before complete unity and harmony (Heaven) can be accomplished here. To the Christian Heaven on earth can only come from the life of Christ in us (God’s law written on our hearts) but our ego (pride) prohibits this.

    So to address whether it will be unlikely or if we’ll be unable to sin in Heaven becomes more of a question of will we achieve focus on God, unity and harmony without the dross of self interest. With these three things in order sin will cease to exist rendering us incapable of it.

    Lastly; for Martin,
    What makes you think there would be sexual reproduction in Heaven? This isn’t a Judeo Christian idea; perhaps a Muslim idea, but certainly not Judeo Christian thinking.

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    • Louie says:

      Not sure that I buy all that. Was lucifer not in heaven? Because he did sin in Gods presence as Martin pointed out, and was booted out of somewhere. That leads one to believe that it is possible to turn away from God after being in heaven. I’m not certain of it either way, but I’d rather just say that I don’t know rather than try and come up with an answer I like.

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      • Charles says:

        That just happens to be my understanding. Search for yourself and if I’m wrong then so be it. Lucifer had different circumstances and angels weren’t created “in God’s image”. Pride caused him to desire worship which he could achieve from beings he considered less than himself; namely humans, by tricking us into thinking we could be gods. Again, I could be wrong but that’s just my understanding.

        I suppose one could decide to turn away from God after being in Heaven. I don’t see any logical reason why but I couldn’t say that its completely impossible. I just know that sin or sinfulness (imperfection/impurity) couldn’t survive along with the perfection of God. So it would be cast out as well; perhaps eternal but not immortal.

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        • Louie says:

          Fair enough. Careful though, about angels. I cannot remember where it is in the bible, but I recall listening to someone describe the hierarchy of Gods creation. This individual made a solid case for the human spirit being greater than that of an angel when all is said and done.

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  19. Robert says:

    Of course there isn’t even the tiniest shred of evidence that heaven or Lucifer even might or could even possibly exist. This just proves how completely insane the Christian system of superstitions really is. I mean it is now an established fact that Jesus Christ never existed at all. Wake up people.

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